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My thoughts exactly. Some should start inwards and some outwards. Lessons should be learnt from this. So angry and hoping he never suffered.
Everybody in this forum needs to get prepared to be mad.........really mad.
Now that he has been found, some of the volunteer searches are going to be coming forward complaining that they wanted to search in other areas but were prohibited from doing so. Some of them may even say they wanted to search in the area he was eventually found but were stopped by the people in charge. There are going to be searchers that wanted to take ATV's out on the trails and do random searches, but weren't allowed to, because it didn't follow protocol.
You are most likely going to be hearing a bunch of stories and seeing a bunch of finger pointing. Some of it may be legitimate, some of it may not be. If mistakes were made, then they need to be corrected in time for the next missing kid to be found quicker. People in this forum are already lashing out over the statement about Noah being found further away than what statistics say he should have been.
The "experts" need to gather some data and rework some of their calculations and stats. If the current protocol is full of flaws and inadequate procedures, then those problem areas need to be identified and eliminated.
At the top of that list would be scent tracking dogs that are deemed to be ineffective when: it has rained too much, it hasn't rained enough, a child is involved, too many people around, too much noise, too many distractions, it's too dark, it's too light, it's too cold, it's too hot, it's too windy, it's too muddy, it's too sandy, and on and on and on. We've seen this happen too many times. Fix it, or leave them at home[/B].
I followed little Noah's thread from the beginning but this is my first post. I'm crying for Noah and his family, especially grandmom. I know she will never forgive herself for this.
My thoughts were the same as yours though. After reading so many of these stories where the people were found just outside of where they originally searched I was yelling at the screen to go further out and make your way in. Go further out with lots of lanterns and flashlights and yell for him as loud as you can then listen intently because you know little Noah is scared and crying out for grandmom, mommy and daddy. I am so broken up over this. It does make you angry to know that he was so close and could have been saved if they would just look at the other cases and realize that kids do go further than what you keep saying they do. History proves that. Like you I hope they learn a lesson from this that they don't seem to have learned from all of the other children's deaths. One more child is too many.
So frustrating.
Yesterday or the day before we were talking about how the search area of 1,000 acres represented just 0.5 miles in all directions from the point last seen. 1.5 miles in all directions is 4.7sq miles = 3,000 acres! Definitely a different scenario.
Yes, toddlers can walk. Yes, we have seen this before with Rainn in better weather, but over a mile away. I guess they have to start somewhere but I really hope that in future the aerial searches and heat-sensing drones etc that are deployed first thing, well, I hope they cast a wider net, knowing that these little ones can move.
RIP little guy.
Amber was missing for about 24 hours from her Barton Township home on East 13 Mile Road and spent the night in woods until she was found about 1:40 p.m. Wednesday nearly two miles southeast of the home.
Everybody in this forum needs to get prepared to be mad.........really mad.
Now that he has been found, some of the volunteer searches are going to be coming forward complaining that they wanted to search in other areas but were prohibited from doing so. Some of them may even say they wanted to search in the area he was eventually found but were stopped by the people in charge. There are going to be searchers that wanted to take ATV's out on the trails and do random searches, but weren't allowed to, because it didn't follow protocol.
You are most likely going to be hearing a bunch of stories and seeing a bunch of finger pointing. Some of it may be legitimate, some of it may not be. If mistakes were made, then they need to be corrected in time for the next missing kid to be found quicker. People in this forum are already lashing out over the statement about Noah being found further away than what statistics say he should have been.
The "experts" need to gather some data and rework some of their calculations and stats. If the current protocol is full of flaws and inadequate procedures, then those problem areas need to be identified and eliminated.
At the top of that list would be scent tracking dogs that are deemed to be ineffective when: it has rained too much, it hasn't rained enough, a child is involved, too many people around, too much noise, too many distractions, it's too dark, it's too light, it's too cold, it's too hot, it's too windy, it's too muddy, it's too sandy, and on and on and on. We've seen this happen too many times. Fix it, or leave them at home.
BBM
OMG -
You are the second poster that has made disparaging remarks about SAR dogs. Please educate yourself before making these statements. You are misinformed! SAR dogs find missing people constantly.
I know everyone is broken-hearted over this outcome but this is no time to pick on SAR dogs.
BBM
OMG -
You are the second poster that has made disparaging remarks about SAR dogs. Please educate yourself before making these statements. You are misinformed! SAR dogs find missing people constantly.
I know everyone is broken-hearted over this outcome but this is no time to pick on SAR dogs.
I have been on WS a long time and never have I seen or heard of a SAR dog finding a missing person on scent alone. I am not trying to be offensive in anyway but it is the reality, I have no knowledge of these dogs, but I see no evidence of their work being overly effective.
Not arguing with anyone but I just wanted to get my bit in as I for one agree with Steelman, too much emphasis is put on the scent and the direction these dogs sway a search.
Peace and harmony to u. All my opinion.
Is a half mile really outside the search area? That sheriff is from Tennessee and these guys say "one half mile" like I would say "half a mile."