Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation
Video 13
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JA = Jodi Arias
DF = Detective Flores
FO = Female Officer
Transcribed by TxJan1971 at yahoo dot com
00:25
DF: What time did you leave there that day?
00:35
JA: Uhh…
(Silence)
00:52
DF: You don’t remember? Just trying to drive and get as much distance as you could?
01:04
JA: Umm…
01:08
DF: How long were you in the house after it happened? I know you tried to clean yourself up and clean up what you could.
01:22
JA: Huh uh…I wasn’t…
01:23
DF: It didn’t take too long, but you did. Why did you throw the camera in the washing machine? We found blood in the downstairs bathroom where somebody had tried to wash their hands. There’s blood on the outside of the washing machine. There’s little things that give us clues to what you were doing afterwards? Do you remember those things?
01:59
JA: Huh uh…No.
02:00
DF: You remember some though. What was your intention going there that day?
(Silence)
02:13
(A sigh is heard – possibly Jodi)
02:24
DF: What was the purpose of the visit, the same as before?
(Silence)
02:40
JA: I’m just starting to remember. I’m just trying to remember that week, that whole week, and the week prior had a lot to do with it… the weekend or Friday night prior, I think.
02:51
DF: Did you have plans on going down there or, I know you said he had called and wanted you to come down. At what point did you decide, Okay, I’m going?
03:02
JA: He always was like, I don’t want to say meddling, but he was always like more concerned than I felt he needed to be about my finances, and he’s like, “Well, how can you make a road trip when you’re this that and that,” you know..
03:20
DF: Well, he expected everybody to be like he is.
03:23
JA: (Laughs). He did. He really did.
03:27
DF: He expected that, Hey, if you go on a road trip you better be thinking about this and that and…
03:32
JA: There were so many times that I just threw my responsibilities to the wind and went on road trips with him, because I am a little irresponsible when it comes to that. It’s not just because it was with him, it was because it was the traveling, and umm… you know…
03:45
DF: When he leave, he usually makes sure everything is planned out and...
03:48
JA: and that he has enough money for it (laughs).
03:52
DF: And you just kind of take off sometimes.
03:54
JA: Yeah, I guess…
03:55
DF: You’re a very, very free spirit
03:58
JA: and it’s not…
03:58
DF: ...and I’ve known that from the beginning. Sometimes it’s good. Sometimes it’s not so good.
04:03
JA: What gives you the indication like when you say you know that from the beginning?
04:07
DF: From talking to you, talking to people who know you. They’re just like, “Ah, that’s just Jodi,” you know.
04:15
JA: I am. I’m spacey… I’m just….
04:21
JA: Umm…
04:21
DF: When you want to go do something, you just go do it and you’ll deal with the consequences later.
04:26
JA: Yeah.
04:35
DF: When did you go decide to go visit him? At what point? Were you already on the road or was it from here? Did you already know you were going to visit him when you left here?
04:49
JA: Umm…
(Puts head in hands – bends head)
04:57
JA: Umm…
04:58
DF: I’ve done that before. Sometimes I just leave and, you know what, I’m going to go visit this person while I’m on the way.
05:18
JA: (Unintelligible. Jodi is fidgety and mumbles something…
05:32
JA: Umm…you know…
05:38
JA: Go ahead.
05:39
DF: Did you see any of his roommate’s cars out in the driveway when you left? That part just bothers me, because it was so close to the time when one of the roommates came home, and I just…I’m thinking maybe you were still in the house when he was there.
05:58
JA: No. Umm…No, I was in the driveway.
06:03
DF: You were in the driveway? They would have seen the car then, right?
06:06
JA: Yeah. I know my space was always right behind Travis’ car and he parked in the… he has a 3-car garage and he took the middle space, and one of his roommates…
06:13
DF: The Prius?
06:14
JA: Yeah, the Prius or his BMW before that, and then there was like a smaller, little space but it was enough for a car, but it was always jammed with junk from his roommates.
06:23
DF: Yeah, I saw that.
06:24
JA: He was very much … he didn’t save stuff, you know. He had so much storage space. He was so generous whenever he let me store all my stuff there, because I went from a house to a room and so I had artwork, some of my paint, and art supplies, photos, books and books and books and books --so many books. Some of them weren’t even mine. They belonged to my friend, Matt. I was renting that car yesterday because I was taking a trip to Monterey and umm…
06:57
DF: To go visit Matt?
06:58
JA: Yeah, I was gonna’ drop off some books to him that I’ve had for years. We dated like 8 years ago, and we’re still friends, so umm….all his books somehow I ended up keeping and some were mine, some were like esoteric and spiritual kind of books and I’m probably not going to read now because they’re just so out there.
07:16
DF: I know. I’m sure they’re going to get them back to you.
07:20
JA: (Sighs)
07:21
JA: and then some photos, also, too. Darryl, who was another guy I dated after Matt that we bought the house together, and kitchen supplies. Darryl paid for so much when I was there, and he footed the bill at Costco, so I had umm…They said that they took knives out of my car. Umm…
07:38
DF: I don’t even know whose they are, you know.
07:40
JA: Oh, they’re Darryl’s and…
07:41
DF: Okay.
07:40
JA: they’ve been in storage for years, just collecting dust.
07:44
DF: That’s good to know that they’re his.
07:46
JA: Yeah, and like they were all his, maybe one might have been mine, but like, I just…I think they were Darryl’s, and so there’s those and a bunch of kitchen supplies and pictures of him and his son mostly when we used to go to 49’er games One time we just went on camping trip.
08:00
DF: So the car you had driven there was a rental car?
08:03
JA: Yeah.
08:04
DF: The Ford Focus?
08:05
JA: Oh!
08:06
DF: That’s the car…
08:07
JA: Oh! I thought you…
08:08
DF: …they’re gonna’ go pick up, the Ford Focus.
08:09
JA: Oh! Yeah.
08:10
DF: I know they were gonna’ rent you another car, but then something happened with that first car. Either you didn’t like it or…
08:17
JA: Oh, it was red, and I thought … ‘cause I always hear that you don’t drive a red car ‘cause I would never buy a red car, and, it was fine. It was a Ford Focus, too. Umm…
08:26
DF: And you got the other car you said, the white one…
08:27
JA: I said, “Do you have one with a more neutral color?” ‘cause I was like you always get pulled over and you get tickets. You know I don’t know if that’s true.
08:33
DF: That’s not true.
08:33
JA: …it’s just what I’ve been told since I…
08:35
DF: It’s just that a lot of people that have red cars like to go fast. It’s a personality thing. It’s not because of the car color.
08:44
JA: I just (unintelligible) it’s more noticeable (unintelligible).
08:48
DF: I know Travis doesn’t look his doors when he’s home. Was the door open when you got there, or did you have to go through the garage, or how did you get inside? Did you knock? Everybody says he leaves his doors open when he’s home. He trusts everybody.
09:09
JA: Umm…have you ever seen the movie, the Secret?
09:12
DF: I don’t think so.
09:13
JA: It’s kind of…if you’re familiar with the whole Law of Attraction kind of thing like the way you think you become or ran your life. He felt that if you lock your doors, then what are you telling the universe, what are you telling the ether out there and this and that, I need to lock my door for a reason.
09:29
DF: Yeah, I wanna’ be safe.
09:30
JA: Yeah, I wanna’ be safe, which also gives the impression that well, there’s somebody that can hurt me, so, and by trusting you know …
09:39
DF: He was a very, very trusting person, and that’s what made him who he is.
09:46
DF: Also, comes from a different kind of background and have a different type of philosophy.
09:55
JA: I do.
09:56
DF: Doing what I do for a living, I lock my doors.
09:59
JA: I can imagine. You know I guess me coming from Salinas, I’ve always locked my doors.
(Jodi speaks very fast during this response)
I used to go to sleep at night and I would hear gunshots (unintelligible), not that neighborhood, but our neighborhood neighbored another neighborhood that wasn’t that great, and gunshots carried and there …’cause Salinas is (Unintelligible) and there are a lot of fields, and I used to think that there were hunters in the fields with their dogs catching animals or something, but they’re all just gangs. I’m sorry, I’m not trying…
10:23
DF: That’s okay. I’ve noticed that when I talk to you, you kind of go off sometimes.
10:28
JA: Travis used to be like, “Get to the point!” Get to the point. And he…and that made me kind of mad. He had a little bit of a double standard of that ‘cause if you’ve ever, if you ever see him train or talk, ask any of the leaders in Prepaid Legal, he is notorious for going too long.
10:44
DF: Mmm Hmm.
10:45
JA: Umm…his friend, Dave Hall, in Utah cuts him off and he got mad at him once because he went 5 minutes over and he was, and he just talks and talks and talks, and I said, You know, “You’re kind of long winded yourself.”
10:56
DF: Well, he had a future in that. You know that’s what…
10:59
JA: Yeah.
11:00
DF: …he wanted to do, and he was good at it.
11:02
JA: He was so good.
(Sighs heard)
11:08
JA: He talks about things of more substance and I just ramble.
11:18
DF: So was the door unlocked when you got there?
11:26
DF: Did you… you went through the door or the garage? I know a lot of his friends have the key code for the garage, and he doesn’t keep that a secret either.
11:34
JA: Umm…
11:36
DF: I got that from several different friends.
11:43
JA: Yeah, 0817.
11:53
DF: Was he expecting you?
11:58
JA: (Jodi sighs)
12:07
DF: Yes?
12:09
DF: Did you surprise him? I know he was always happy to see you.
12:18
JA: (Jodi bows her head, covers her eyes/face with her hands)
12:22
DF: What you guys had was not wrong, Jodi.
In going over all his stuff, he was always happy to see you.
12:42
JA: (Jodi still has her hands covering her eyes/face and lets out a giggle)
He told me this time when … ‘cause I was in his ward boundary, so uh…one of my roommates went to his church, and they were to meet at some church activity and Travis was getting a ride, when he said his friend, Katy Barnes, was in the backseat. He was in another seat. There were two people in the front I guess they were all going to squeeze in and go to this church activity, and they were swinging by to pick up Amy, (Jodi laughs) my roommate, and I wasn’t there, I don’t think…(Unintelligible)
But he said he wasn’t doing much. He must have been on his phone or something texting, but he said they parked and he looked up and it was my house and he was like, “What are we doing here?” (Jodi laughs) and he freaked out! I started laughing so hard when he told me that story, and they’re like, “We’re getting Amy, she’s going with us.” “Oh, okay,” and he just kind of sat there twiddling his thumbs and they got Amy and she left.
13:37
DF: Was that after you guys broke up?
13:38
JA: Oh, yeah, because by the time I lived in that house we weren’t together…
13:40
DF: Yeah, that’s right.
13:42
JA: It was just funny because it just weirded him out. I don’t know what reminded me of that just now. You said something…
13:48
DF: He was happy to see you.
13:49
JA: Yeah. I don’t think he would… he would probably have been…it would have been awkward if he had been…because we kept…
13:54
DF: You guys had a different kind of relationship. You guys were happy to see each other but for some reason he couldn’t outwardly show it in public.
14:02
JA: He umm…
14:03
DF: He was afraid of his image and to him his image was everything.
14:09
JA: He told me on several occasions it saddened him and it bothered him. He had two friends in particular that gave him a very hard time about our friendship, and that was Chris and Sky. Umm, but I think they did it out of concern for his …his future…umm…like his marital status. Umm… yeah, why him and I continued (unintelligible) we were both just postponing what we should be focusing on instead.
14:38
DF: Well, you’re living life. God is what you make of it. It’s not set in stone.
JA: Yeah, I think you’re right. We just didn’t have our priorities in the right place.
DF: I know the church has a general plan. You go if you’re a guy, you go on a mission, you come back, you find a girl, you get married, you start having kids and start contributing to society and to your church.
14:59
JA: Yeah, that’s really not that…
15:03
DF: You…you came into something…I don’t know whether you came in with both feet or you still had one foot out but it’s a whole different society in that church.
15:14
JA: I…
15:15
DF: It’s an all or nothing…
15:16
JA: It is! It is…and I think that’s just because the church actually lives their standards
15:20
DF: And that’s what people struggle with
They have the utmost standards, and you look around and there’s not one person in that church in those pews who doesn’t’ need to be there, and if they were perfect, they wouldn’t have to go, and sometimes I think it’s a façade. I know. Travis kept trying to live up to those standards, but he’s a human being and he’s… both of you are mortal and you have free will and that’s that. Sometimes I think maybe he put too much pressure on himself to be perfect or to at least portray himself to be perfect.
16:24
DF: And that’s maybe why something like this happens. Things get way out of hand.
16:30
JA: I just… I… You know I’m not an evil person
16:35
DF: I know you’re not.
16:39
JA: but I’ve always had…I’m not a promiscuous person. Umm…
16:45
DF: Something attracted you guys to each other.
16:47
JA: Yeah, and I there was also I already knew him well. I knew him through and through. I loved him and I cared about him. I knew we weren’t going to get married so I just…
16:59
DF: How did you know you weren’t going to get married?
17:01
JA: Umm…A couple of reasons.
17:05
DF: It’s like oil and water? You guys just don’t mix?
17:08
JA: Oh, we mixed really well for a time but I think when I discovered his ways last year it was so hard but… umm...
17:18
DF: What ways were those?
17:20
JA: Umm he just didn’t seem like husband material but it didn’t mean that he wouldn’t be in the future it just meant that… umm…something that Chris & Sky said to me back in January of 2007 really stuck and I said, Do you want to be like Deanna and wait six years?
17:35
DF: Yeah.
17:37
JA: They made jokes saying, “If you wait six years, you can get free breast implants,” because he bought her breast implants at one point. And then they’re like, and then he’ll really (Unintelligible) you know, just all these things. And I was like, What? Why would they say these things? Anyway…That one part stuck, though, and I felt that, you know, women have, not all women, you know, not Mimi, and not certain other women, but most women just fall all over themselves for Travis because he’s nice, and he seems like the whole package.
18:07
DF: I think Mimi kinda’ saw through everything. There are some people out there they can see through stuff
18:
JA: I was um. I kinda’ did too. Like I had never been pursued by a person like that. Umm…but at the same time I saw… I’d like to say like Mimi saw through this but I saw beneath that and through that. Like he wrote that thing on his bog the Goal from Within, and I really did see like inside he was an amazing person. He was a good person. He was a generous person. He gave so much and he…
18:43
DF: Well, maybe you chose to actually look past that first level. Somebody like Mimi looks past that first level and sees that there’s something I don’t like already and I’m not going to look any further. You, on the other hand,
18:45
JA: She spends a lot of time at the Temple so I think… I’ve never been endowed. I’ve never been through the Temple but from what I understand I think that’s such a sacred place and mediating there and being there will help to give you further insight about where just you as a person are supposed to make a move on a certain decision in your life. So maybe that just wasn’t for her. I also was thinking after the fact I didn’t get a chance to discuss this with him. I didn’t know she was going to Cancun, and I didn’t know that she flat out told him no, but I thought...
19:26
DF: So that’s completely out of the theory that you went there to convince him to not go.
19:33
JA: Oh, yeah. No. Not at all. Not at all.
19:36
DF: ‘Cause that’s the first theory that was thrown out there was she was jealous. She knew that he was going to Cancun with this other girl and it was just jealousy.
19:46
JA: I never…I asked him at one point after I moved. I was like, “Hey, who are you taking to Cancun by the way?” I knew it wasn’t…at one point there was a girl named Brenda who in … she wasn’t actually involved, and she was in the business and she saw me at the memorial and she’s like, “Now, wasn’t he going to take you to Cancun?” and that was like…We found out about Cancun a year prior umm…right about the time we broke up so I never really assumed that I had a ticket there, and, you know, all those things went on. It was just never discussed. So there was never any discussion.
20:19
DF: That never went through your head then.
20:20
JA: Yeah. There was never a discussion that I was going to Cancun. Not on that trip. Not with him. Maybe sometime in the future, some other time with somebody else, but no, so that was not an issue.
20:28
DF: What about the trip of him coming up to you, come visit you? Was that something that was planned or was that something that…?
20:34
JA: Yeah, it was supposed…
20:34
DF: Because I wasn’t even sure that that was true.
20:37
JA: No. No. He was supposed to come twice. He was gonna’ maybe come up as… and I kinda’ like was hoping he would come by March, I’m sorry, May 24th, because I was singing the National Anthem at the races and I thought… I just... it’s part of one of my goals for this year was one of my fears to overcome was being in front of large crowds or public speaking, um…so
20:58
DF: You have anxiety with crowds?
20:59
(Jodi is talking really fast during this!)
20:59
JA: Yeah. There were three fears: one was handguns, which was one of the reasons I got a gun. There was this huge (unintelligible) in town who said he would take me out and go target practicing, and I went to the sporting goods store several times to see what he had, and they were all in the $500-$600 range for the kind that I want, so they were too expensive, but then there was this one it was cheap, it was $100 and some dollars and I said, All right, let’s do it. So I put my money down and got my little 10 day background check and all that, so…then I got it and I was happy, you know. Umm…and then the third one was skydiving. So I was going to do that sometime this year, but he wasn’t able to make it up for the… he was scared to tell me that, too. He was like, “I know you get really upset...”
21:38
DF: Why was he scared?
21:39
JA: Not scared, umm… hesitant…
21:40:
DF: He didn’t want you to be upset.
21:41
JA: He didn’t want to hurt my feelings, and he told me that. He was on the phone in early May ‘cause I had known about that I was going to sing about 8 weeks prior, about 8 weeks prior… yeah… cause I had approached the guy at the state… down by the Purple Plum which is the one by middle (unintelligible). He works at the gas station area.
21:58
DF: I ate there this morning.
21:58
JA: Oh, really? It’s petty good food.
22:01
DF: You used to work there, didn’t you?
22:02
JA: Yeah. They’re good people.
22:04
DF: I went to go eat there and I couldn’t get it out of my mind, Jodi used to work here, constantly thinking about you, because of this.
22:18
JA: It was a good place to be. I worked there twice actually, when I was 18 or no, my dad closed his restaurant when I was 16 or 17 and that’s when I was a server there, and being a server in a restaurant is probably one of the best positions because you tend to make a little more money than the other positions.
22:33
DF: Yeah. Tips.
22:34
JA: It’s all contingent, but you know generally it works out in your favor.
22:37
DF: You’ve got that personality that people want to tip you.
22:42
JA: Yes.
22:44
DF: So when he didn’t come up. was there an issue with that? Did you talk about that?
22:47
JA: Umm… well he put it so delicately that I couldn’t be mad. I was sad but I wasn’t mad or anything. He said, he’s like, I’m just not sure. H said, “There’s a lot of stress going on. There’s a lot of things right now, you know, this and that stuff going on,” and he’s like, “I’ve been hesitating to tell you, but it looks like I might not be able to make it up there to watch you sing, and I’ve been scared to tell you that,” and I was like, “Aw….” you know. He says it, and he taught me this, his technique, he says it in a way to disarm you first, to where you’re just like, Oh, now, you know, like reverse psychology, sort of. So he said that, and I could really tell that he really was concerned that he would hurt my feelings.
23:24
DF: Is that when you decided or he decided to come invite you up?
JA: Uh, no. No, not at all, ‘cause he never...He didn’t invite me until he found out I was going on a road trip. But, then he’s like, he’s all, “Definitely the first week of June.” He’s all “probably before I go to Cancun,” and so um…as that week got closer you know, he was like…”look”…We had a big fight somewhere around then.
23:53
DF: Mmm hmm.
23:54
JA: Umm…I don’t remember the exact timeline but it was in late May, and…
24:03
DF: Was that one of the e-mails that you sent him, or?
24:07
JA: Which…? Oh…
24:07
DF: the large e-mail…the…your relationship and…
24:11
JA: (Jodi speaks very fast during this response)
Oh, just how I think that… Yeah, ‘cause I just could tell, uh…Oh, because I edited and I did all the editing and the grammar and spellings, he’s not a very good speller, that umm…on his…on his first chapter of his book, and he wanted to post it on his bog, and I noticed when he posted the introduction, he’s like, “Special thanks to Katie Barnes,” and I’ve no jealousy towards her, she’s just a great girl, and you know there’s nothing there to worry about. In fact, when…when…when I was worried about Lisa uhh…Andrews and Alana (?) Gomez, her best friend, they were all spending a lot of time together, and so I wasn’t sure, and she would post flirtatious things on his My Space, and he’s like, “Don’t worry about that.” He’s like, he said at one point, he’s like, “If you have anything to worry about, it’s Katie Barnes,” and so I was like, “You are so spin it just throwing the focus off something,” and I don’t think there was ever any concern with that. I know that he liked her, but nothing more and as a friend, and he said, “She’s a little freaky and emotional unstable sometimes, but I think she’s just young. She’s a nice girl.” So he said that, and I’m like, “Hey make sure you post a special thanks to Jodi Arias for editing,” and he’s like, “You know I can’t do that,” and I was like, “Why not?” and he’s like, “Jodi we’ve discussed this,” and what he meant was, umm people…I made a few comments ‘cause he was like, “leave me comments on my Bog, and rate me 5 stars, you know and that kind of thing, so it looks like people are going there. So I left a few comments and he saw people who already said things, and he was referring to Sky Hughes who was like, “Hey I noticed a certain someone has been commenting on your Bog,” and I think it’s because he had given her the… and I told him to say this, too, umm, okay, I’ll be real quick ‘cause I know this is all… I’m just giving you background. We sat next to each other at the last convention, at a prepaid legal convention in Oklahoma City. That’s because we buy our tickets way in advance. So we bought our tickets last year, and because he
qualifies for Executive Director every month which is one of the top levels in the company, he gets to sit on the floor close to the front, that’s close to the stadium seats. So you know I had a ticket. He bought a ticket for me at the time. So it wasn’t a big deal, but we were just sitting next to each other, but she made a comment, you know. He, of course, has to explain, “Listen, we got our tickets a year ago and there’s no way she’s going to give up her seat for stadium seats.” So he sent that ticket, I mean he sent that text either to her friend, Holly, or to her or someone.
Anyway, umm… I realized that she was giving him a hard time so I said, “Listen, tell her next time she says anything that Jodi is dating other people and that she’s moving to California,” because it was already in the plans to move to California.
26:51
DF: I don’t understand why they just couldn’t, why he couldn’t just tell them that you guys were still friends. What issue is it?
26:58
JA: I wondered that, too, and he said it’s because they…Him and Sky had a lot of arguments but It wasn’t because they disliked each other. It’s because they both have sort of fiery personalities. She’s very… she has… umm…a strict set of standards…ummm…and he’s just like, Hey, so together that’s Kaboom, and uhh… but nonetheless they were best friends, especially him and her husband Chris, and a lot of their fights were about me from what I gathered. I don’t know a lot about that
27:37
DF: Is that what the e-mail was about the whole story?
27:40
JA: Yeah. We had that conversation and I walked to work because I was you know… (unintelligible as music playing)
END OF VIDEO #13