trial day 38: the defense continues its case in chief #110

[jojomonkey]

Her testi-phoney was that about a year after the Spider-wear, TA gifted her a porcelain angel figurine, calling her his angel, but that she left his house without it.

She explained that she was so fearful of TA's violent temper that she returned to retrieve it before he became enraged at her for de-edifying his generosity.

When she returned and entered TA's house in that chaotic pattern in which people who don't knock gain ingress, that's when she felt the wrath. :liar:

ICK really? I didn't hear about the angel figurine. Another lie. And I also never believed the "Travis Alexander's" T-shirt story from day one! I think if they dug hard enough they would find out she purchased it and had it made up.

All these things she says he did for her are complete BS. I have no doubt Travis was a nice guy, but I think a little porcelain angel figures and printing recipes out on pink paper are total embellishments of things she wanted him to do for her. She has always resided in Jodi Land.

 

[FrayedKnot]

bringing this over from the other thread......I wanted to reiterate what a good thing I think AVL's testimony was for the prosecution! It's gonna be great! :great:

Wow,

Thank you for this. I am really looking forward to Juan ripping this woman up on the stand. No evidence of squat but she testifies before the trial even starts. She's been on Jodi's side for a long time.

I disagree. I think Juan will be able to take each of her hypotheticals and reverse the genders to make the point to the jury that TA was the abused, not the abuser.

I also believe this is why JM was so quiet yesterday. He can use everything she said on cross, and also by letting her talk, both she and JW opened up a few more doors thru which JM can expound on. (Bad grammar, but you know...)

I also think JM will be very respectful of ALV, as there is no reason for him to attack her. She testified in hypotheticals as she was instructed by the court to do, and she set things up perfectly for JM.

Furthermore, I have a hinky feeling this was no accident. No proof, just a gut feeling and the eerie coincidences that almost every one of her hypotheticals was describing JODI, down to minute details. That would be one heckuva coincidence, methinks.

JM got a big ole present with a shiny bow!

 

[Chelly]

The judge and attys are in chambers discussion the motion.

 

[Arishia]

I wonder why the defense doesn't want their spending amounts revealed? What do they have to hide?
ETA How can it be related to her right to a fair trial?

Something about foreknowledge of the defense strategy?

 

[runningwater]

Yeah, I live in Ohio and noticed yet another front page story this morning about an ex-boyfriend chasing his ex-girlfriend in a car with a loaded gun.

He was shooting at her while she was driving, she called 911 on her cell phone, and in the meantime was hit with a bullet. Her car crashed into a shopping center curb, he pulled up beside it, and pumped three more bullets into her.

Incredibly sad!

JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS!

If this is evolution...I want no part of it...the world is being slowly poisoned...IMOP

 

[Ricki]

Good Morning/Afternoon
Hope you all rested well.
I came in as the seal was going back up. Anyone know if a decision has been made?

 

[nightwatch]

I honestly think that she doesn't understand emotions. She can barely even fake tears. Something is missing in there. Not that it makes her less guilty, but I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be a sociopath.

welcome to the light. lol she is scary.

 

[Shelby1]

why do I just have a seal?

Because Nurmi has some top-secret things to tell the judge (not) and so he requested that the hearing be closed-door.

 

[RadarLuv]

I call someone a sell out when they use their "expertise" to defend someone who is beyond bad, guilty, caught on camera slaughtering a human being.

I suppose someone has to do it. My guess is that their fee's are a bit (a lot) more than those experts on the side of the prosecution. Wanna bet?

They are defending the PURELY evil even if it goes against their expertise. Then to throw book titles around is just.........vile.

THAT is the difference to me.


From FrayedKnot [Brought over from last thread]Okay, this ^ is why I thought only the DT paid their experts! But I was wrong.
So what does that mean in regard to JM's experts? (Which I just found out also get paid to testify). Are y'all going to call them
$ellouts, too?

No snark, I just really want to know if they will get picked on for getting paid, too.

 

[elementary]

I just can't see that. She has devoted her entire life to her cause, and I'm sure she's rightfully proud of it. This flies in the face of all the good works she has done - I don't believe she'd turn her back on that work simply for money.
Yet, her experience MUST tell her Arias is not a DV victim. uggg

LV originally began as the mitigation specialist in this case. Perhaps she doesn't believe in the death penalty. However, that does not account for her upgrading to defence witness and trashing Travis in a well orchestrated Q&A- her answers are deliberately chosen to insinuate that Travis was an abuser. She knows what she's doing in the answers she chooses, knows full well the implications, and therefore, I have no respect for her.

Perhaps the cause is more important to her than a man's reputation. Perhaps hearing about male abuse for decades has biased her into rigidity. Perhaps she wants to burnish her reputation. Who knows? Something is not right.

I think she has the perfect and warm and fuzzy demeanour. But that doesn't mean that how she presents herself, or her massive, overstuffed CV have anything to do with the content of what she presents. I think she's a wolf in sheep's clothing as far as this trial is concerned. And does she even consider the consequences for victims of DV as a result of her willful ignorance?

NO question in my mind that she's pushing an agenda, no matter how impressive and authoritative she seems. Her evaluation methods at this point, too, are highly suspect.

 

[Pink Panther]

Check out how she talks to Nurmi after the Jury has left.

See 1:29:50 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zYitKLsn8A

 

[Chelly]

During the prosecution's opening statement, "Martinez says Arias attacked Alexander in the shower, because his defenses were down."

Making him sit down made him small, unable to get away quickly or easily. You've heard of the phrase 'sitting duck?' So did Jodi.

The shower door is open in all the photos. You can tell because flash was used in the very first two photos, indicated by the white, rather than dark gold, color of the tile, the reflections from the flash in the tile and the water droplets on Travis' right arm. Shooting through glass would have made the flash bounce back and ruin the picture. So flash + no reflection on glass = shower door open.

Why? Because she planned to kill him and in order to do that, had to corner him. He was not taking a shower voluntarily. MOO

Was she holding the gun on him while he was in shower?

 

[Quester]

:wave: Revised: T minus 25 min!

[Assuming a 10:45am start! Hahahaha!]
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[commspecialist]

Her testi-phoney was that about a year after the Spider-wear, TA gifted her a porcelain angel figurine, calling her his angel, but that she left his house without it.

She explained that she was so fearful of TA's violent temper that she returned to retrieve it before he became enraged at her for de-edifying his generosity.

When she returned and entered TA's house in that chaotic pattern in which people who don't knock gain ingress, that's when she felt the wrath. :liar:

LOL. So he gave her a gift, that she cherished yet forgot to take with her. But he scared her a lot because he was angry! (HMM, methinks she is projecting her anger issues onto him, cause I do not recall any of T's friends describing him as 'angry').

So, she went and snuck into the house of someone who scared her, to get a gift that she forgot there, that she wanted because she love love loved him. When she could have just moved on with her life and dated someone without that supposed temper (or someone with actual anger issues, cough)

does not compute.

 

[Truth Detector]

I'm killing time reading at www.theramenrater.com

I am now hungry for Ramen noodles.

Positively riveting; I couldn't tear myself away until I finished the money line:

"Has a nice sesame scent as sesame oil usually does."

 

[JRS_JD2L]

Wow! It is so sad that the jury can't hear all of the facts we hear. There is no question she should not be around any other people, ever.

Yes, it is sad but true that the jury cannot hear these past violent acts of JA. I have done some research, and Arizona has a rather interesting take on evidence that is admissible in self-defense cases. Here's the law:

Under Rule 404(a)(2), the defendant may introduce evidence of a pertinent trait of character of the victim. The typical example of this is when a defendant claiming self-defense introduces evidence that the victim was of an aggressive, assaultive character as tending to show that the victim indeed was the aggressor. While the prosecution may rebut this by proof of the victim's good character, strangely the Rule does not allow proof that the defendant had an identical aggressive, assaultive character, evidence that would tend to neutralize that which the defendant had offered. In a homicide prosecution, however, where the defendant claims self-defense, the prosecutor may offer evidence of the peaceable, non-aggressive character of the victim to rebut the defense, presumably because the defendant has silenced the only competent rebuttal witness.15

Source: Ariz. Prac., Law Of Evidence § 404:1 (4th ed.)

In most jurisdictions, once the defendant has raised the violent character of the victim (as is the case in the JA trial), the prosecution can use the violent character of the defendant to rebut that evidence. Not so in AZ. However, I have also found out that if the defense presents testimony that JA is a peaceful person (which has not happened so far), then JM can rebut that with specific instances of her past violent behavior.

Interesting.

 

[G&AMom]

Morning/afternoon, folks. Having got my mood down from a rolling boil to a slow simmer, I think I'll just follow on the board today. I'll turn the sound back up when JM gets his turn.

 

[Miss Behavin]

"Una mas margarita, por favor"... that's all the Spanish I need to know!

LOL

True story: I went to Cabo a few years ago with some friends and she ordered "Dos Peni* Coladas, por favor" from Paco, the Pool Boy.

I've never :floorlaugh: so hard

 

[Arishia]

:wave: T minus 10 min!

[Assuming a 10:30am start! Hahahaha!]
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I thought it was 10:45

 

[leebee52]

Hey everyone. Ready for more DV history lessons?