trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #121
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escalation and reading his own words . . . fear of partner leaving . . . correlate between that and TA to be rageful . . . fear is emotion that and powerlessness escalate anger. Power in non-heiracharcial way - make decisions as group, feeling good, apology when youdon't want something from someone else - how they feel about different kinds of power. . . .lose power results in fear, anger, rage
two to tango - two make a argument - in healthy relationship - but abusive relationship tango with one person - read IM's it doesn't matter what JA does - TA still able to continue - when on a roll when upset it sort of doesn't matter what other person does - abusive relations - 2 to tango falls to wayside.
an ultimate opinion . . . JA was in abusive relationship - JA was a battered women. difference between isolated acts of aggression vs. pattern of aggression - anyone capable of isolated act aggression - patterns make it different. Patterns it occurs in . . . way feel about self, chronic apprehension, verbal and emotional and physical abuse.
why what you base this on . . . put up the continuum
why is JA a battered woman - nobody fits in linear column - friends and family put downs, change in personality - in prior 2 relations JA was happy, sweet, creative, positive thoughts but can be a pain in the butt like any of us in relationship - you see her moving into more depression and self-blame.
she was good with other people and relationships over time. you see threats of abandonment . . . .
looking @ abuse and battering - character assassination isn't even on there . . .. it is more high end battering relationship.
for a period of time for JA - monopolize relationship for see world thru TA's eyes . . . .no one human fits into exactly one category
battering relationship and terrorist relationship - terrorism usually violates other laws.
psychological and emotional abuse - character assassination - escalation of abuse - choking,
when looking @ lower level abuse = no disrespect to victims in that category - behaviors part of that pushing, hitting, lower level injury, bruise or contusion, but choking, break finger and kicking is considered high end . . . manipulation, deception and chronic infidelity and family of origin issues that are exacerbating factors in TA's family.
something that JA could have seen from the beginning?
no you don't start out inabusive relationship with an abusive relationship. . . . way it started JA met charming, handsome, friend, go to Exec. Director dinner, made her feel good - attach to the best part of the human being.
wat happens over time tend to be abusive you tend to maintain that -beginning in love with someone . . . . the more abusive household correlation to abuse in adulthood - child grown get scared in intimate relationships - when deal with abusive in relationship the fear takes over - chonic combat readiness - perpetual state of apprehension - emotional reflex - reactive place . . . . person become abusive even when they don't want to be.
All info come from JA mouth and her journals? . . . not at all box @ home . . tapes from 48 hrs, IM's text messages, emails, reviewed small portions of TA journal, some things he has written about his family, comments between TA and other women and IM's between TA and JA and don't believe anyone provokes someone into pattern of violence.
we are experts in relationship how to push someone's buttons . . . difference in abusive relationship pattern goes from relationship to relationship - if connected (often sexual and intimate) more likely the abusive men will act out.
TA was dating Lisa Andrews went on for months - abusive relations difference if he was intimate relations? . . . makes a difference . . . JA lived out of state 8 month and they were only together 8 months . . . until she moved back
with Lisa Andrews TA and she broke up 3 times - there was physical contact but not sex but length of time not significant either. . . .
Ms Andrews did not complain about abuse from TA . . . not unusual she did complain aobut him putting her down and pushing her boundaries.
change in JA's personality - how do youknow that . . . read the interview with her 2 previous boyfriends MM - 2 yr relationship - Daryl Brewer 4 yrs relationship - she changed from responsible person and happy person she changed. . . . other partners had significant time with her so some accuracy - she still maintained positive relations/friendships with both of them positive thing.
changes occurred with JA after being withTA - she became bi-polar - they described her like that going back an forth in her moods - not a diagnosis - goes from one mood to another she was described as moody before that but Brewer described more intensity
neither MM or DB describe JA as suicidal . . . . generally happy - she cries - she fluctuates mood but not deep depression. . . .she gets upset she wuld cry - not unusual response - neither of them described her as a liar.
sent books to JA . . .about 5 books . . .think sent 4 books and magazine subscription -do you have a memory problem? no I don't . . . .
impair your ability to make assessment of JA and TA relationship -no
JA physical or aggressive to TA nor verbal abuse nor patterns of psychological abuse or controlling behaviors from JA to TA - jealousy? no didn't see it
nothing further
cross exam
two to tango - two make a argument - in healthy relationship - but abusive relationship tango with one person - read IM's it doesn't matter what JA does - TA still able to continue - when on a roll when upset it sort of doesn't matter what other person does - abusive relations - 2 to tango falls to wayside.
an ultimate opinion . . . JA was in abusive relationship - JA was a battered women. difference between isolated acts of aggression vs. pattern of aggression - anyone capable of isolated act aggression - patterns make it different. Patterns it occurs in . . . way feel about self, chronic apprehension, verbal and emotional and physical abuse.
why what you base this on . . . put up the continuum
why is JA a battered woman - nobody fits in linear column - friends and family put downs, change in personality - in prior 2 relations JA was happy, sweet, creative, positive thoughts but can be a pain in the butt like any of us in relationship - you see her moving into more depression and self-blame.
she was good with other people and relationships over time. you see threats of abandonment . . . .
looking @ abuse and battering - character assassination isn't even on there . . .. it is more high end battering relationship.
for a period of time for JA - monopolize relationship for see world thru TA's eyes . . . .no one human fits into exactly one category
battering relationship and terrorist relationship - terrorism usually violates other laws.
psychological and emotional abuse - character assassination - escalation of abuse - choking,
when looking @ lower level abuse = no disrespect to victims in that category - behaviors part of that pushing, hitting, lower level injury, bruise or contusion, but choking, break finger and kicking is considered high end . . . manipulation, deception and chronic infidelity and family of origin issues that are exacerbating factors in TA's family.
something that JA could have seen from the beginning?
no you don't start out inabusive relationship with an abusive relationship. . . . way it started JA met charming, handsome, friend, go to Exec. Director dinner, made her feel good - attach to the best part of the human being.
wat happens over time tend to be abusive you tend to maintain that -beginning in love with someone . . . . the more abusive household correlation to abuse in adulthood - child grown get scared in intimate relationships - when deal with abusive in relationship the fear takes over - chonic combat readiness - perpetual state of apprehension - emotional reflex - reactive place . . . . person become abusive even when they don't want to be.
All info come from JA mouth and her journals? . . . not at all box @ home . . tapes from 48 hrs, IM's text messages, emails, reviewed small portions of TA journal, some things he has written about his family, comments between TA and other women and IM's between TA and JA and don't believe anyone provokes someone into pattern of violence.
we are experts in relationship how to push someone's buttons . . . difference in abusive relationship pattern goes from relationship to relationship - if connected (often sexual and intimate) more likely the abusive men will act out.
TA was dating Lisa Andrews went on for months - abusive relations difference if he was intimate relations? . . . makes a difference . . . JA lived out of state 8 month and they were only together 8 months . . . until she moved back
with Lisa Andrews TA and she broke up 3 times - there was physical contact but not sex but length of time not significant either. . . .
Ms Andrews did not complain about abuse from TA . . . not unusual she did complain aobut him putting her down and pushing her boundaries.
change in JA's personality - how do youknow that . . . read the interview with her 2 previous boyfriends MM - 2 yr relationship - Daryl Brewer 4 yrs relationship - she changed from responsible person and happy person she changed. . . . other partners had significant time with her so some accuracy - she still maintained positive relations/friendships with both of them positive thing.
changes occurred with JA after being withTA - she became bi-polar - they described her like that going back an forth in her moods - not a diagnosis - goes from one mood to another she was described as moody before that but Brewer described more intensity
neither MM or DB describe JA as suicidal . . . . generally happy - she cries - she fluctuates mood but not deep depression. . . .she gets upset she wuld cry - not unusual response - neither of them described her as a liar.
sent books to JA . . .about 5 books . . .think sent 4 books and magazine subscription -do you have a memory problem? no I don't . . . .
impair your ability to make assessment of JA and TA relationship -no
JA physical or aggressive to TA nor verbal abuse nor patterns of psychological abuse or controlling behaviors from JA to TA - jealousy? no didn't see it
nothing further
cross exam
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Jodi looking at Juan and laughing when Wilmott asked Alyce if she had memory problems.
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Francine Hughes. 13 years of intense physical, sexual, and emotional abuse many others witnessed and there was plenty of evidence to substantiate.
Robin Elson. 6.5 years. Neighbors witnessed, and testified to, seeing her husband abuse not only her but their children as well. (He'd shoved a garden hose into his 18 month old toddler son's mouth in the front yard.) The same neighbors though inexplicably never called police to intercede.
Dr. Ann Grybowski. Over 20 years. She was still covered in bruises while in court for her initial appearance. After listening to 27 witnesses, many recounting abuse they'd witnessed first hand, the grand jury returned a no bill.
Robin Elson. 6.5 years. Neighbors witnessed, and testified to, seeing her husband abuse not only her but their children as well. (He'd shoved a garden hose into his 18 month old toddler son's mouth in the front yard.) The same neighbors though inexplicably never called police to intercede.
Dr. Ann Grybowski. Over 20 years. She was still covered in bruises while in court for her initial appearance. After listening to 27 witnesses, many recounting abuse they'd witnessed first hand, the grand jury returned a no bill.
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Anyone have any paint I can watch dry?! :waiting:
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Look at Jodi smirk. Sooooo funny Jodi. Just to refresh your memory - Juan is free to go out that door and do anything he wants tonite. You are the one on trial for murder and threatened with the death penalty. Laugh all you want!
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Yes. And I will be smirking when Jodi is put to death.
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