trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #136

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I am not sure what is going on in chambers but I think they have the masters on and they are sharing some grey goose. #JodiArias
 
ILikeToBendPages said:
bringing this over;


nellei nelson, Jodi isn't teeny tiny, she's 5"4-6 and weighed 125 lbs. She knows Karate and could of disabled Travis with a swift kick and she'd been out the door. Why did Jodi go in to the closet if the gun was an iffy thing? If it wasn't there in that magical leap, would she of then used her Karate skills? Jodi wasn't a poor little defenseless thing.
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I think you have slightly misread/misinterpreted my post.

I preceded my description of Arias/LaViolette's 'image' of Arias as 'teeny tiny' with the words, 'The Fantasy', (e.g just part of the fairy story Arias has crafted about herself and the murder, with the partial help of LaViolette).

I also clearly stated 'There is no evidence whatsoever that any closet interlude occurred'.

If you re-read I hope you'll see what I mean. It was kind of long and convoluted compared to what I originally set out to say, so no problem from my POV except I'm sorry if I confused you or you mistook me for an Arias apologist of some kind.

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JayB12 said:
The inefficiencies of this court/judge are astounding!

I'm pretty sure any of us on here could consult with the judge for 10 minutes each trail day and help her with this stuff. Judging is her gig. Being efficient is not her strong suit.
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I'll paste the below from a site with people in the legal/court area.I will later post about Leading Questions and how bad that is to have done by ALV. It includes this tid-bit:

Leading questions are questions that are framed in a way that evokes a specific response from the individual being questioned. Issues about such questions can come up in journalistic interviews, court rooms, and surveys, and in some cases, the use of such questions is viewed as a breach of ethics and professionalism.
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The behaviors allowed in the spectator seats confuse me. The very few times I was in a gallery watching a trial, there were rules in place. No distractive behaviors, no food, no drink, no laughter. I am curious to see the jurors thoughts on those things after trial, if they even discuss anything.


IMO: On Monday the judge should include in her "daily admonitions" that any outburst from the gallery will result in removal from and revocation of access to the courtroom... without consequences the "Alyce LaViolette Trio" will continue their antics...


I have never seen anything quite like it, either. I have been observing trials since I was young, and the atmosphere in the courtroom is usually respectful and controlled. Most judges won't tolerate any less. What really surprises me is how often the MIT spec is allowed to go and sit with Jodi, every time there is a sidebar. She sits, and they whisper and laugh and giggle together like they are besties in Jr. High! Usually, for security purposes, no one but the attorneys are allowed to get near the defendant. This judge just seems to have let all common sense and control fly out the window, and I don't get why.


Yes! I could not agree with you more. I go to court pretty much every day for my job. I also work for 2 judges. We were talking about this very issue on Friday at lunch. I was describing the behavior of the gallery, attorneys, witnesses etc. and I even played the ALV "Are you angry at me Mr. Martinez" bit. They were appalled.

Our courtrooms here do not allow ANY FOOD or drink (besides water bottles) in the court. There is no gum chewing, no using your cell phones, no reading newspapers. That kind of thing. In my opinion, this judge has no respect from anyone in her courtroom and she doesn't demand it. If an outburst of laughing happened here, anyone who was caught laughing would have been thrown out. The Mitigation Specialist would have been sanctioned and probably her supervisors as well.

When ALV was becoming combative, the judge should have looked at her and said, "I'm going to ask you one more time to answer the questions Yes or No or you will be held in contempt."

This stopping court for people being "sick" is a joke too. They needed a hard nosed Judge to handle this case. Maybe after/if JM speaks to the Judge about the ALV/Sam thing, she will realize things are out of control and she better get her courtroom on track fast.

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32:42 Juan starts cross in his normal tone of voice. Firm but not raised.

AL is deliberately evasive and being obtuse and combative

38:47 Yes or no! ...
AL pulls her 'are you angry at me'

Her PLANTS not only laugh but make it very loud acting up.
(at this point they should have been told to exit the court room)
 
gauntlet said:
WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 1m

It feels like one of those school days where a sub teacher is in and you just do what you want. No order at all. #JodiArias
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That is what it seems like from home too. What exactly is the jury there for? They sit in a room bored while defense gets to argue motions with the judge in her chambers? Don't their lives count?
 
DEPUTYDAWG said:
I hate this delay!

Delaying means there's a smaller chance they'll finish today, which means:

ALV and the DT get more time overnight to smooth out their answers, and

ALV gets another night of lodging and meals, compliments of the AZ taxpayers. Ugh.
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Well, they haven't done a very good job of coaching her so far, so they can take all the time they want as far as I'm concerned, nothing is really going to help. Although if I were a juror I would not be a happy camper.
 
biggirl said:
NEVER have I seen Victim's family members called back to chambers in a trial. This has happened many times recently. Would love know why! I hope they are not giving TA's family a hard time. At least we know JM is there and has their backs.
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iirc katiecoolady (who is in court almost daily and also is a family member of a victim herself) said that they have a right to be present at the closed hearings. (victim's rights)
 
Curious in Indiana said:
That is what it seems like from home too. What exactly is the jury there for? They sit in a room bored while defense gets to argue motions with the judge in her chambers? Don't their lives count?
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Would you like a yes or no answer, or would you prefer the truth? ;)
 
Lorelilly said:
OR ALV is so incensed over the Questions she's having a cow and refuses to retake the stand.
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If she treats the jury the way she treated JM, they are NOT going to be happy.

I can just hear her giving them unsolicited "treatment" advice, suggesting ways to de-stress, and telling them that they should not take their understandable ill will and anger against TRAVIS out on the DEFENDANT or herself. The same goes for the prosecutor; she knows he was mean to her, little old lady that she is, but the jury should not punish the DT for JM's bad manners. If they still have a problem, please take one of her cards and schedule an appt -- there's still room in her next "group".
 
Yikes, I tried to hop on the scales of justice, and a spring went flying.
Hello to all 905 viewers on the thread.
.I thought I was too heavy for the thread and slowed it down....
 
lauraoh said:
I do remember. It was in the Tampa/St Pete area, wasn't it?
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Sarasota. They fled there and hid from her ex who paid to have her murdered. He tracked her down by using his twelve year old daughter that he played to get the address.
 
Just "tuning in". We are up to juror questions???

Have to go back and read here! Where to start, where to start...
 
So, today I was teaching and I asked my students a yes or no question and one of my students said "But that isn't a yes or no question." I swear I almost said "Judge, nonresponsive."
 
tss said:
I'll paste the below from a site with people in the legal/court area.I will later post about Leading Questions and how bad that is to have done by ALV. It includes this tid-bit:

Leading questions are questions that are framed in a way that evokes a specific response from the individual being questioned. Issues about such questions can come up in journalistic interviews, court rooms, and surveys, and in some cases, the use of such questions is viewed as a breach of ethics and professionalism.
====================================================


The behaviors allowed in the spectator seats confuse me. The very few times I was in a gallery watching a trial, there were rules in place. No distractive behaviors, no food, no drink, no laughter. I am curious to see the jurors thoughts on those things after trial, if they even discuss anything.


IMO: On Monday the judge should include in her "daily admonitions" that any outburst from the gallery will result in removal from and revocation of access to the courtroom... without consequences the "Alyce LaViolette Trio" will continue their antics...


I have never seen anything quite like it, either. I have been observing trials since I was young, and the atmosphere in the courtroom is usually respectful and controlled. Most judges won't tolerate any less. What really surprises me is how often the MIT spec is allowed to go and sit with Jodi, every time there is a sidebar. She sits, and they whisper and laugh and giggle together like they are besties in Jr. High! Usually, for security purposes, no one but the attorneys are allowed to get near the defendant. This judge just seems to have let all common sense and control fly out the window, and I don't get why.


Yes! I could not agree with you more. I go to court pretty much every day for my job. I also work for 2 judges. We were talking about this very issue on Friday at lunch. I was describing the behavior of the gallery, attorneys, witnesses etc. and I even played the ALV "Are you angry at me Mr. Martinez" bit. They were appalled.

Our courtrooms here do not allow ANY FOOD or drink (besides water bottles) in the court. There is no gum chewing, no using your cell phones, no reading newspapers. That kind of thing. In my opinion, this judge has no respect from anyone in her courtroom and she doesn't demand it. If an outburst of laughing happened here, anyone who was caught laughing would have been thrown out. The Mitigation Specialist would have been sanctioned and probably her supervisors as well.

When ALV was becoming combative, the judge should have looked at her and said, "I'm going to ask you one more time to answer the questions Yes or No or you will be held in contempt."

This stopping court for people being "sick" is a joke too. They needed a hard nosed Judge to handle this case. Maybe after/if JM speaks to the Judge about the ALV/Sam thing, she will realize things are out of control and she better get her courtroom on track fast.

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32:42 Juan starts cross in his normal tone of voice. Firm but not raised.

AL is deliberately evasive and being obtuse and combative

38:47 Yes or no! ...
AL pulls her 'are you angry at me'

Her PLANTS not only laugh but make it very loud acting up.
(at this point they should have been told to exit the court room)
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:gthanks:
 
O/T

I am making dinner from a recipe on the WS Recipe Trial Thread. If it sucks, my son will never allow me to come here again. If it's awesome, he will cut me some JA Trial slack. :praying: Sherry Chicken Casserole. It better be good! :floorlaugh:
 
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