trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #136

[Softail]

HA! Other than Jodi's word what evidence is there that Travis sent her the Spiderman underwear?

 

[DairyGirl]

I think JA knew Travis wasn't a threat after she stabbed him in the heart.

 

[Schuby]

Q: "Has Jodi continued to write in her journal after June 4th, 2008?"

 

[Observer in AZ]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Do you have PROOF she received the spidey's & pink undies LOL!

 

[Lupie43]

Totally ridiculous!

 

[katiewonders]

Hey Alyce....

If I say, look, what's that on your shirt...and then flick you nose...Would you call ME abusive?

:floorlaugh:

She wouldn't if you are a teenager....

 

[katiedid2]

The jury think she made stuff up later in the journal

 

[Donnareit]

She can't tell about the conflict relationship scale with Jodi because it was designed to look at adult relationships? Huh? Do you think Jodi is a child?
:facepalm:

 

[moonshyne]

ALV: In my experience Jodi would not know when it was enough (the attack)..

Well I would say after stab #3,4,5,6,7 or the gunshot or the slit throat,,,,gimme a break!!!!

It was a vicious murder, NOT self defense and the jury can see that clear as day!!

 

[Venom]

Maybe the whole spiderman underwear thing was an inside joke between them. Ans she said she'd bring them jokingly.

 

[Love Never Fails]

ALV always falls back on movies. Guess she doesn't know movies are not real. Show White comes to mind.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

When did you meet her. Exactly. From when. As in the date.

 

[katydid23]

I can't wait until Juan tells her that she kicked her mother in 2008. :giggle:

 

[Miss Behavin]

ALV hasn't seen any of jodi's journal entries after June 4, 2008.

Does this open the door for Juan to bring in her fake entries now?

 

[wenwe4]

conceivable woman kill partner just to get away from abuse - yes but rare

victim and perpetrator? . . generally dv doesn't stay at that level . . .research says men and women violent with each other most cases men get more violent

no evidence of verbal confrontations you don't see JA trying to increase escalation . . she tries to calm escalation - element of fear in that relationship - I don't see fear or behaviors trying to adjust to the relationship - TA appears to be . .

in her prior two relationships . . . not violent aggressive or jealous

kick mother in past could she been seen as perpetrator?
she could be seen . . . when I look @ perps I hm looking @ power differences

people in a relationship


possible ja exaggerating abuse events? . . .anything is possible

look @ escalation seen with TA
listen to what Hughes have said it is difficult to believe that

high conflict and abuse columns but exaggerating they lean more toward battering and terrorism . .
actually not - it is kind of names and put down and that kind of thing - don't fit in high conflict . . . goes way beyond that said in IM's and texts . . . to ALV abhorrent . . . psychological verbal abuse in a battering kind of range not just abusive kind of range - past that

if don't have whole story on both individuals . . . when working on a murder case you don't have . . . for the most part an expert witness doesn't have access to other side of the equation . . . you gather data and all provided to you . . . I try to get as much of the other person that I can I have a big box of material over the last year and half . . my goal is to get as much info as I can I don't want to be biased . . don't want to see one person point of view . . . in your opinion could ja be a Perp of Travis?
don't see evidence of that

JA guilty of psychological abuse of travis - given we are not privy to their private conversations
I have no evidence of that - in prior relationships I didn't get that from Brewer for 4 years nor MM with her for 2 years indicating she was not jealous, manipulative when they broke up . . . they remained friend

defensive instead of abusive?
any of us can get angry, abusive or defensive . . .tear someone carachter apart . . . that is way . . .bit of extreme @ lower levels and when he escalates it is pretty darn extreme

can 2 individuals grow up in violence later become

sure . . you and your siblings can see things differently . . . friends parent, AUNT, uncle, someone there on regular basis - blame self or blame parent or stay clear of situation . . .scouting troop - part of soft ball or baseball team . . some impact .. . brain development is exponential between 0-6 . . .

disposition, how you come out how you takes things in . . make difference - in family of origin - if neglected, without food, parents violent with each other - generally speaking you will need some help in relationships - if you don't hear or see normal relationships

I wish I could get a complete story from TA . . I can't - only get info from women he involved with, his own writing, I don't think I got a complete story I got as a complete story I could get . .

if low self-esteem and they do something for their partner they don't like ...and shy person doesn't share with them - is that abusive?
it wouldn't take much to know that being called

objection . . . verbal

how quick can escalate from first time people meet
usually there is period of time that doesn't happen . . . don't get into those type of relationships . . .it is differenet . . .once see it there is an escalation . .. over time

prior to JA . . do you know who TA girlfriend was?
a woman named Deanna
believed they together on/off 7 years - she went on a mission she was gone 2 years = TA didn't want her to go - they wrote letters to each other - continued to have a relationship of some sort he thought he took the best 7 yearsr of her life and she deserved a partner . . . loaned him money for a business he started - doesn't know if she got $ back but asked for it

testimony has been based on what JA told you - she lied multiple times - how do you know you are not basing it on lie . . . everything she is saying is truthful

I based it on . . .
objection - how can she

I didn't just base it on what ja told me. . everything I read all materials I read from numerous sourves = I don't know everything she told me was true - I have enough back up from collateral to believe she told me the truth about most things . . the fact she lied about the truth about death of TA doesn't make her a liar - she is human being . . . don't get prior to this event that says JA is a liar

any proof TA abused JA
she had a broken finger

possible ja didn't write those things in her journal because they never happened
it is possible TA didn't write in his either

if JA kicked and hit her mom why not she be plaed in high group for violence on the conflict tactic scale -
only for adudlts not kids

patients killed their partner
yes

JA abused TA?
no evidence of it . . . .nothing in her history in other men in her life or exchanges between 2 of them she had . . there is possible anything but no evidence that supports that

classify their relationship as a love/hate?
classify it as abusive relationship

love/hate relationship - on my continuum - high conflict -people stay together . . don't solve conflict well . . . erodes their relationship stopped caring about each other see as friends but there is an inbalance of power but it goes back and forth

victim of abuse would do this . ..
my experiences with females who are victims when they are afraid of their lives they would not know when to stop . . . people who are trained in combat like police officers or military . . . they often go over the top - excessive force . . hard for anyone o know when to stop - when they would be safe

other than JA word - evidence JA received spiderman underwear and tee shirt with TA

has journal continued to write in her journal after JUNE
don"t know

spent forty four hours with her

first visit was oct

 

[mobius99]

Timeframe question really good. It's making Alyce nervous.

 

[Nellie Nelson]

Q: Has Jodi continue to write in her journal?

A: I don't know. I haven't read any of her journals since June 2008. (Jeez!)

 

[Nikole]

She has no idea the time frame in which she visited Jodi.

 

[Truth Detector]

Jodi's look on the overkill question!

 

[vinayd]

SHE HAS NOT SEEN THE JOURNALS WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT HIS DEATH AS IF IT WAS NEWS TO HER?!!!!! utoh

-i think ive missed something. the jury hasnt seen the fake journals?