trial day 49: REBUTTAL; #150

[Kensie]

Good morning everyone. At home today with my bummed ankle.
Ready to get the show started!!

 

[Hopeful One]

I feel for Willmott right now as an attorney. Whatever her reasons to agreeing for this case, I do believe she will suffer greatly from it. I think she's angry, after months of hatred, and critism who wouldn't be angry? Unfortunately, I think its showing. The NG clip last night has to be a huge blow to her career. Whatever information on forensic Psychology and DV she got was faulty.

Not only will Martinez shred it and make her look ridiculous and uneducated, but it seems like a nail in the coffin to her career-- I can't imagine people lining up outside their offices to defend them now, and she has a large amount of negativity from spectators that will rejoice in her failure.

I don't think her cross was meant to be unintentionally misleading, I think she either misinterpreted and/or didn't understand what information was given to her. That is a lot of pressure and stress to handle as a person with real feelings. On top of a client who has no issues requesting such nonsense, she has to as her attorney bring up. I think Willmott needs a lot of support from people close to her right now.

I think she has no idea what she's even talking about. She's in WAY over her head with DD.

Using some of my favorite words from Napoleon Dynamite, "I don't understand a word you just said."

 

[Love Never Fails]

O/T. I just looked at some video of the blast in West, Texas at the fertilizer plant. I am amazed anyone survived. Even an apartment complex blew up. Please pray for all these people. They say there are major injuries.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Mods, can you fix the blown margins? I cannot read anything this tiny. Thank you.

 

[nursebeeme]

I wish they would put a STICKY up that she did not say that (B word).

Never even sounded close to that, IMO. Most of us don't care for the job she is doing, but one has to be careful to not hear what you want to hear.

I am sure JW is probably a pleasant person, IRL. I see it when she, Juan and JSS, and EVEN Nurmi joke around after the jury leaves. They all have a job to do, and she is not stupid enough to violate basic court rules.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on what was said.

 

[TXProfessional]

I feel for Willmott right now as an attorney. Whatever her reasons to agreeing for this case, I do believe she will suffer greatly from it. I think she's angry, after months of hatred, and critism who wouldn't be angry? Unfortunately, I think its showing. The NG clip last night has to be a huge blow to her career. Whatever information on forensic Psychology and DV she got was faulty.

Not only will Martinez shred it and make her look ridiculous and uneducated, but it seems like a nail in the coffin to her career-- I can't imagine people lining up outside their offices to defend them now, and she has a large amount of negativity from spectators that will rejoice in her failure.

I don't think her cross was meant to be unintentionally misleading, I think she either misinterpreted and/or didn't understand what information was given to her. That is a lot of pressure and stress to handle as a person with real feelings. On top of a client who has no issues requesting such nonsense, she has to as her attorney bring up. I think Willmott needs a lot of support from people close to her right now.

I really liked this post, I know I get caught up in seeing the DT and JA as one and the same sometimes because of what the victim and family has to endure but you are right about this. Thx for the reminder.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Two post removed, one dealing with the trial, one not. So glad the mods are on the ball. They are the best, and not appreciated enough. I love em!! :blowkiss:

Tulessa, there is a young woman in a Roy Oberison YouTube ( he's not wearing glasses) that made me think of you. She's the third one. When I saw her I told my husband that Tulessa!

Hope I haven't offended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UgYeyrwqQUk

 

[Imprint]

Look at it this way: (snipping a lot of -must read- detail)

I don't think, at the moment of the head shot, that Travis Alexander was dead. He was mortally wounded, but the "post mortem" appearance of the head wound was due, in part, to there being essentially no blood flow to the head.

If this was the case with Travis Alexander, that once his throat was cut his body still struggled to stay alive, and I have no reason to think that the throat cutting of Travis Alexander was any different than the sample I've seen, then Jodi Arias resorted to the gun as a coup de grace, to finish it because, despite what she saw in movies, killing someone is a lot harder and takes longer than she counted on.

Mykeru, that post was horrific and horrifically vivid.
I have seen the wounds Travis endured, and imagined a terrible, terrible scene of his final minutes, but nothing in my mind allowed me to see as it does now. That was stunning insight.

We play and we laugh here, and YOU are often so witty.. but at heart of the trial is this act and now you highlight just how awful it was. And how truly horrible Jodi is.

I prefer truth over anything. Thank you for opening my mind's eye.

(original snipped by me)

 

[kscornfed]

Is this the exchange you are referring to?


Lenore Walker on NG:

NG: "If Jodi Arias was lying about Travis Alexander abusing her, could she still be a battered woman?"

LW: "Sure. Battered women lie all the time. That's how they stay alive, that's how they deal with the shame. Lying is not new for battered women. But it isn't just whether or not someone is a battered woman that's important in these cases, as you well know, Nancy. It doesn't give them a free pass just because they are a battered woman. It is really used only to help us understand whether of not they were in fear of what was happening - that they would be seriously harmed or killed at the time they commit a homicide. So that's what we have to look at AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HEARING IN THIS TRIAL!!!"

i would think lenore walker would be more upset than anyone else out there by her work being used by people who are NOT abused as a legal defense. it really demeans REAL abuse victims and diminishes the wonderful work she's done in pioneering this field. i think her comments reflect that.

 

[ElleElle]

Good morning fellow WS'ers and Mods

:coffee: in hand, day off, let's lease: a FULL day in court.

I thought of another theory last night:

Looking at Travis's history he seemed to prefer brunettes (Deanna, Mimi) and Jodi was "pornstar" blonde.

I wonder if in Salinas she did die her hair brown and when she went to Mesa tried to show-off her "new look" to Travis along with the ID concealment factor?

 

[pferrin]

or 'what's your office number? are you accepting new patients?'

if i had to endure this trial as a juror, i'd call her as soon as it's over!! talk about PTSD!

Has anyone told you Dr D that you are Brilliant and have a tremendous memory and clarity?

 

[nursebeeme]

Mods, can you fix the blown margins? I cannot read anything this tiny. Thank you.

should be good to go now:seeya:

 

[Dicey]

I don't believe for one second that JA has migraines. Everything we have seen from the moment of her arrest shows not one instance of a migraine until the trial that is. She's little miss happy pose in all pics, had loads of time to make phone calls, texts, can drive thousands of miles, you name it. Not one word of a migraine in her writings and no one else came forward to say they witnessed her having a migraine. She drove from TA's to UTAH and all of that without having a migraine. Surely she would have mentioned it had she had one during her long elaborated tales to LE.

She never had a migraine, when she was on the stand either.
How convenient for her to have them now.

 

[lisasalinger]

It has been painful trying to listen to Wilmott's cross the last day and a half. Not that I expected anything else.

I don't mind a good strong defense attorney, it's actually interesting watching them present, and I'm not even mad that she is going after Dr. D. about her age and experience... that's all part of taking down a witness... but I absolutely can't get past the snotty banter in her voice.

She comes across very poorly... instead of sounding like a prepared professional who is driving home a point, she sounds like an annoyed teenager who is quarreling with her sister. All the while, Nurmi is chuckling at the table. I was particularly turned off yesterday by their demeanor during court. You can be smart and firm without acting like that.

 

[Hopeful One]

O/T. I just looked at some video of the blast in West, Texas at the fertilizer plant. I am amazed anyone survived. Even an apartment complex blew up. Please pray for all these people. They say there are major injuries.

Prayer for sure. So much sadness, pain, and heartache for Americans this week.

 

[camcneishg]

IMO, pedo didn't even come into her mind until after her first two lies did not pan out...all made up

I just had a thought. What if Jodi was using HER camera (w/strap) and put the erased memory card in Travis' camera to further set him up?

Here's what I think might've been her intent. In part, anyway.

I think Jodi went there to further blackmail him. I believe the recorded phone conversation was just the start.
I think she planned on putting pedo photos on Travis' computer or elsewhere around his house THEN.....take photos of it to use as leverage.

I always believed the camera was around her neck too. I think she might've gotten Travis' camera out of the box after she killed him (with the intention of photographing little boy pictures) ....panicked, didn't finish out her scheme of blackmail, put the (what she thought was her erased) memory card in his camera and accidentally put it in the wash.

I don't believe she put the camera in the silly wash machine on purpose. That's insane. If her intent was to wash away the finger prints.... she could've just thrown it into the shower with Travis' body and ran the water. Or if her intent was to destroy the camera she could've taken it with her although.... I think that was her intention (taking it with her) but couldn't locate it (because it was in the washer) and hastily gathered up the items and left because roommate was due home.

So in summation, I do believe a camera, whether her's or his, was around her neck. As a photographer, that is common practice especially if you're holding a weapon too!

Oh and by the way?.....I don't believe Travis was posing for a photo shoot to showcase his newly fit body. I think Jodi was surreptitiously taking photos of Travis, startled him with gun and the rest....well, we know how it ended.

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[gcharlie]

Correct me if i'm wrong-my fellow Sleuthers!!!!

But didn't JA state that she don't remember picking up the knife but Dr. D said JA told her she remembered picking it up.

You are correct in your recall.

This was an example JDM used to explain why she does not believe JA's purported memory loss. To paraphrase, through time and repetition, people typically gain more recall, not loose it.

I especially appreciated JDM's debunking of Dr. Samuel's hippocampus explanation; she talked about shrinkage of the hippocampus and that the type of memory loss he described typically involves brain injury with further impairment of the overall memory function.

 

[lil_buddy]

My gut tells me we are about 1 week to closing arguments. I am all for medicating Jodi before each day so her head doesn't scramble.

Or having the trial in absentia

I think your prediction is overly optimistic, but I hope I'm wrong.

Can't we just put JA on a morphine drip? She's not gonna feel anything bad thru that, right?

 

[Kensie]

Juror question for Dr. D.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you for simply answering the questions. Thank you.
Would you like to do lunch soon?

 

[gauntlet]

I feel for Willmott right now as an attorney. Whatever her reasons to agreeing for this case, I do believe she will suffer greatly from it. I think she's angry, after months of hatred, and critism who wouldn't be angry? Unfortunately, I think its showing. The NG clip last night has to be a huge blow to her career. Whatever information on forensic Psychology and DV she got was faulty.

Not only will Martinez shred it and make her look ridiculous and uneducated, but it seems like a nail in the coffin to her career-- I can't imagine people lining up outside their offices to defend them now, and she has a large amount of negativity from spectators that will rejoice in her failure.

I don't think her cross was meant to be unintentionally misleading, I think she either misinterpreted and/or didn't understand what information was given to her. That is a lot of pressure and stress to handle as a person with real feelings. On top of a client who has no issues requesting such nonsense, she has to as her attorney bring up. I think Willmott needs a lot of support from people close to her right now.

I just can't feel sorry for Wilmot. Surely she knew when she become a DA what kind of cases she'd be taking on board? And the main reason I disrespect her is not because she is representing JA but how she is doing it. The snipes, the number of approaches because she doesn't seem to know how to object properly, the BFFing with JA, the questions of Dr D yesterday, the disrespecting of people with PTSD, DV and most of all the way they have talked about Travis and his family is unforgiveable. These are the things that bother me about her. If she presented a 'fair' case, I may even have a shred of gruding respect for her.