Trial Discussion Thread #28 - 14.04.17, Day 25

[minor4th]

Is there trial tonight or are they on recess already?

 

[minor4th]

Barry Bateman (SA court reporter) asked to settle twitter debate.

(see attachment)

https://twitter.com/barrybateman

Thank you ....

 

[wb180]

Oh thanks, It did cross my mind there might be some slandering,/exageration, you cant take everything said as gospel. Was it this guy Reeva is rumoured to have been romantically involved with at some stage? I cant keep up!

I think Batechlor stole OP ex gf or something.

 

[Clutchbag]

That's why his testimony sounded so weird. He was feeling around for her in the bedroom---feeling the floor, feeling the curtains.

He was deaf!

This is one of the stranger aspects of the story that makes me doubt it. From whispering to her in bed to get down and call the police, to being half way down the hall and screaming to her to call the police, to getting to the bathroom and again screaming for her to call the police, to being shot, to going back to the bedroom screaming for her, to feeling his way around, not once did she respond. She was in the toilet all the time and never responded?

The devil is in the detail in this case and I reckon Gerrie Nel has got it by its slippery horns. he is so right about thingsbeing so "improbable"

Am I right??

:floorlaugh:

 

[wb180]

Yes is was pitch black. Let's forget for a minute the question--why didn't he turn on the lights?

He could have stood there and said, "Reeva?"

I don't think he ever said he did that. Instead he's feeling around for her in the dark--feeling the bed, feeling the floor, feeling the curtains.

He was deaf! [and blind].

Except to you, what he say he did is already irrelevant because anyone with sense would have dismissed his testimony as he is not credible.

 

[molly333]

It did when the witnesses first testified. But then when Dr Stipp said all the noises sounded like gunshots and Merwe talked about mistaking Oscar's loud cries for those of a woman. And then Vermuelen said the gunshots were before the cricket bat hitting the door and the ME said Reeva wouldnt have been able to scream after the head wound. And then during cross examination it came out that the witnesses' initial statements didn't say anything about a man and a woman both screaming during that time, and the witnesses added to their initial accounts.

From all of that, I am satisfied that the screaming the witnesses heard was from Oscar.

That's an excellent list of evidence.

 

[minor4th]

Disingenuous or disinformed (not likely as he was there throughout.)
He uses plural when Vermeulen specifically spoke about 1 bullet hole and 1 panel. And added that what he was saying only pertained to that, not all bullet holes and all panels broken off.

Much of MSM has always used Oscar-Speak...

This guy has been in the courtroom reporting throughout. And he is no OP supporter or apologist.

 

[shane13]

I think Batechlor stole OP ex gf or something.

No.
You refer to the dating of Sam Taylor and billionaiire Quinton van der Burgh.
Who then got his friend MB to try to intimidate Oscar---who would have none of it.

 

[Cherwell]

Thank you for the welcome.

Yes, I have been incredibly fortunate enough to witness 'the 'brutal then bored' Gerrie Nel 'live' in court on more than one occasion. He is a very astute cross examiner and whilst many will question his strategy/methods etc, his closing argument is always a thing of beauty. That moment when all he has done, all he has alluded to, all he has inferred, deducted, insinuated is patched together for the 1st time like a completed patchwork quilt.

He doesn't go for the 'complicated theories' etc. He likes to work in 'lists' and will target 5/6/7/ things that he will focus on. The simplicity is actually the 'thing of beauty'.

I've always been a huge admirer. The cross examiner supreme (or the cross examiner from Dante's version of hell if you're the accused)

Thank you so much for your insights. Good to have someone here who has real knowledge of RSA court workings.
I am very much looking forward to Mr Nel's closing argument, you have explained his style very well.

opcorn:

 

[Magdalyn]

Well, if Roux uses that excuse in two weeks, then we will KNOW they read here.

Ha!

But seriously. If one is already 'blind' (room was soooooooo dark), and then suddenly becomes 'deaf'....why would you pass any number of light switches and/or lamps to 'feel' for your girlfriend?

Time is of the essence, I'm scared for my lover. I'm deaf and blind. Let me quickly rectify one of those two obstacles by.....feeling around for her? :facepalm:

 

[molly333]

This is one of the stranger aspects of the story that makes me doubt it. From whispering to her in bed to get down and call the police, to being half way down the hall and screaming to her to call the police, to getting to the bathroom and again screaming for her to call the police, to being shot, to going back to the bedroom screaming for her, to feeling his way around, not once did she respond. She was in the toilet all the time and never responded?

The devil is in the detail in this case and I reckon Gerrie Nel has got it by its slippery horns. he is so right about thingsbeing so "improbable"

Am I right??

:floorlaugh:

When he went into the bedroom, he didn't call out her name as I recall.

Do you recall the same thing?

I was wondering why he's feeling for her instead of calling for her, [or turning on the lights].

 

[Clutchbag]

No, Reeva never dated MB.

Prob. you refer to Francois Hougaard--just before Oscar. I think it lasted only for circa a month.

thanks

Is there trial tonight or are they on recess already?

postponed until 5 May, today was last day for now

I think Batechlor stole OP ex gf or something.

Thanks again

No.
You refer to the dating of Sam Taylor and billionaiire Quinton van der Burgh.
Who then got his friend MB to try to intimidate Oscar---who would have none of it.

Thanks again, my head is spinning

 

[Forensics]

What would happen if you took a client on, but whilst testing their version, every time the results showed they were lying and the evidence was following the states version? They would advise the client to plead guilty but what if they insisted they were telling the truth?
How would that work?

If they were to be called upon as experts, ethically they would stand down from the case. They are not compelled to follow through. An expert should only be giving testimony that is accurate as they see it and not tailoring it to suit one party or the other.They are also legally obligated to tell the truth and not to mislead the court.

 

[molly333]

Ha!

But seriously. If one is already 'blind' (room was soooooooo dark), and then suddenly becomes 'deaf'....why would you pass any number of light switches and/or lamps to 'feel' for your girlfriend?

Time is of the essence, I'm scared for my lover. I'm deaf and blind. Let me quickly rectify one of those two obstacles by.....feeling around for her? :facepalm:

I don't know why he didn't turn on the light.

Still afraid?

 

[Viper]

totally agree regarding osca and his defiance/i haven't done anything.

until today, i didn't realise that he was charged with murder on the same day of the shooting. the police must have been v confident. equally that meant he had little prep time as he was in court at 2pm that first afternoon.

BIB. OP did not give a statement to the police. His attorneys asked for a continuance; that gave them time to create his Affidavit. OP sat in jail for 5 days before he went before the Magistrate for his bail hearing and presented his Affidavit through his attorneys.

 

[Viper]

I don't know why he didn't turn on the light.

Still afraid?

No, because they were already on.

 

[minor4th]

Maybe he wasn't taking into consideration at that point that the door panels could have been pried out instead of batted out.

His testimony was that the panels were pried out.

 

[TrueDetective]

Ha!

But seriously. If one is already 'blind' (room was soooooooo dark), and then suddenly becomes 'deaf'....why would you pass any number of light switches and/or lamps to 'feel' for your girlfriend?

Time is of the essence, I'm scared for my lover. I'm deaf and blind. Let me quickly rectify one of those two obstacles by.....feeling around for her? :facepalm:

With a gun still. And no legs. Supposedly.
Clearly with this lack of judgement and poor decision making he actually must have been drunk. Solved!

 

[molly333]

No a scared person would not have his body in front of a door, in case he got shot!!
An angry person would be in front of the door, shouting and hanging the door for the person to get out.
Come on!

That's what I said. He asked me about an angry person and I said he looked scared, not angry, standing where he did, off to the side over by the entrance.

I agree with you.

 

[wb180]

That's what I said. He asked me about an angry person and I said he looked scared, not angry, standing where he did, off to the side over by the entrance.

What evidence do you have on where he stood? Is it from the liar?