Kind of like when he showed up at the meeting with Mark Batchelor with his gun in holster...too cowboy for his own good.
Wasn't that where he got the head hit he claimed as one of his "crime victim" experiences? Talk about chutzpah.
Kind of like when he showed up at the meeting with Mark Batchelor with his gun in holster...too cowboy for his own good.
Another thing I've meant to talk about, but I've just recently joined this forum, is when the female assessor asked Pistorius if Reeva knew how to work the alarm system. Pistorius answered that he didn't know if she knew or not. Reeva had stayed there by herself while Oscar was away, wouldn't Oscar have showed her how to work it if he was worried about her and/or his house? I don't understand how he wouldn't know if she could work it or not unless there's something I have wrong here.
It can make plenty of sense.
With everything from wave physics, as I've posted here for a year, to some having all windows closed and A/C on.
Etc.
So many posters here have offered "it defies common sense ..." explanations for their points of view. Anyone who's done any hard science is wary of that kind of thing. It's not real sleuthing. I hate to do this, but here I go: Einstein once said "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." And that is pretty much true.
Wave physics is not common sense.It can make plenty of sense.
With everything from wave physics, as I've posted here for a year, to some having all windows closed and A/C on.
Etc.
I heard something interesting re the assessor's questions today on the radio - they seemed to think that the questioning doesn't relate so much to could RS have gone down and eaten (as many of us presumed) but more did she know how to work it, the panic button on it etc and if so why would she have not used it to get help, escape etc. Basically they seemed to think its relevance is more ominous for OP than it may have seemed. Dunno if that is right at all but that's what they were saying.Another thing I've meant to talk about, but I've just recently joined this forum, is when the female assessor asked Pistorius if Reeva knew how to work the alarm system. Pistorius answered that he didn't know if she knew or not. Reeva had stayed there by herself while Oscar was away, wouldn't Oscar have showed her how to work it if he was worried about her and/or his house? I don't understand how he wouldn't know if she could work it or not unless there's something I have wrong here.
I just downgraded common sense, so I don't understand why you ask me this question.
BTW, why did Merwe hear loud arguing noises, with all sorts of obstacles in the way, while the Stipps, closer than Merwe and with a direct line, did not?
Wed., April 9th Session 1
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"When I got to the bottom of the flight of stairs either Mr. Stander or Carice Stander told me to put Reeva down, that the ambulance was on it's way. Before I put her down I said to them that I, that we needed to get her to the hospital, we need to get to the hospital. They said, just, just put her down, ambulance is on it's way........"
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"When Mr. Stander arrived at the house accompanied by his daughter, he saw Mr. Pistorius coming down the stairs with Ms. Steenkamp in his arms. He was crying. He was really crying. He was in pain, Mr. Stander said.
Ms. Viljoen said the athlete was carrying Ms. Steenkamp and pleading with her. Stay with me, my love, stay with me, she quoted him as saying. When she and her father arrived at the house, she said, I just saw blood everywhere. She said she had brought towels from a linen cupboard to try to stanch the bleeding.
My dad was outside calling the ambulance, Ms. Viljoen said. Oscar kept begging: Lets take her to the hospital.'  At one point, when Mr. Pistorius went back upstairs, she said, she feared he planned to take his handgun and shoot himself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/06/w...r-pistorius-resumes-in-south-africa.html?_r=0
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OKAY. So there is a bit of a discrepancy here concerning the ambulance. According to all 3 of the initial ones on the scene as Reeva is in the throes of death, the 'ambulance was said to be on the way.'
But why would they say that? None of them had actually ,successfully, called for one yet.,
The Standers both claim to have seen OP make his dramatic descent down the grand stairway, and they both described his passionate pleas for her to 'stay with him, not to die.' Then Op and the Standers ALL AGREE that they told him to put her down because the ambulance was on the way.
But it wasn't on the way. No one called until Stander Senior then went outside to begin making that call. What time was it by then? How much time had passed, with the loud wailing and grieving, since the shooting? maybe 20 minutes or so>? :banghead:
This is one of the MAJOR ISSUES I have with OP's story. When you have a loved one, literally bleeding out on the floor, DYING, how long do you wait to get them urgently needed medical care? Would it take 20 minutes for you to actually order an ambulance to begin it's trip over?
All these other things that OP listed that needed doing, before actually getting her help are mind boggling. Calling Uncle Johan, FIRST, and not actually ordering netcare to send help, for one main example.
And not screaming for Frank to come upstairs IMMEDIATELY. He could have carried her to the car.
Sending Baba away by saying it's FINE, another mind boggling decision.
He seemed to do everything but get Reeva immediate care. He even insults the first doctor on the scene, calling him useless. Meanwhile OP is sticking his fingers in her mouth to 'help her breathe?'
Wave physics is not common sense.
I heard something interesting re the assessor's questions today on the radio - they seemed to think that the questioning doesn't relate so much to could RS have gone down and eaten (as many of us presumed) but more did she know how to work it, the panic button on it etc and if so why would she have not used it to get help, escape etc. Basically they seemed to think its relevance is more ominous for OP than it may have seemed. Dunno if that is right at all but that's what they were saying.
Exactly. Snoring, white-noise machines, listening to music while sleeping, tv was on, a deep sleeper, sound proof walls, fans blowing, etc., etc...
Slightly off topic here but for a gated community, there seem to be a lot of folks there who beat the heat by opening windows and using fans. What's up with that?
I heard something interesting re the assessor's questions today on the radio - they seemed to think that the questioning doesn't relate so much to could RS have gone down and eaten (as many of us presumed) but more did she know how to work it, the panic button on it etc and if so why would she have not used it to get help, escape etc. Basically they seemed to think its relevance is more ominous for OP than it may have seemed. Dunno if that is right at all but that's what they were saying.
Miss Stander is now married and her new last name is Viljoen. (Added this for clarity.)
Viljoen: He carried her down and the moment he saw me, he said please, thank-you very much. He said take my car take her to the hospital. I just saw blood every where.
by Sky News court reporter 2:44 AM yesterday
http://news.sky.com/story/1255199/oscar-pistorius-trial-day-26-court-transcript
Frank lived in a suite? OK, Frank's suite is a possibility. Or perhaps it was an argument about which of OP's dogs was cuter. But since this is the "trial discussion thread", I tend to stick to the versions of the DT and the PT.I believe the argument started outside of the bedroom, probably the kitchen or lounge, maybe even in Frank's suite?
They are presumed innocent by the law. Big difference.
Another thing I've meant to talk about, but I've just recently joined this forum, is when the female assessor asked Pistorius if Reeva knew how to work the alarm system. Pistorius answered that he didn't know if she knew or not. Reeva had stayed there by herself while Oscar was away, wouldn't Oscar have showed her how to work it if he was worried about her and/or his house? I don't understand how he wouldn't know if she could work it or not unless there's something I have wrong here.
That's interesting, except that even if RS knew how to use it, she may not have had access to it...
Are they? Then why are a lot of the "innocent" dressed in orange jumpsuits, traipsed around in handcuffs, and held behind bars?They are presumed innocent by the law. Big difference.
Frank lived in a suite? OK, Frank's suite is a possibility. Or perhaps it was an argument about which of OP's dogs was cuter. But since this is the "trial discussion thread", I tend to stick to the versions of the DT and the PT.
So many posters here have offered "it defies common sense ..." explanations for their points of view. Anyone who's done any hard science is wary of that kind of thing. It's not real sleuthing. I hate to do this, but here I go: Einstein once said "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." And that is pretty much true. Compare what we heard today from witnesses who live next door to OP and who seem to have heard little compared with witnesses who live nearly 3 football fields away who claim they heard lots more. That makes no sense!