TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #4

[Linda9681]

Blake he didn't know if she had adhd or Tourette's. He just knew she took meds for it. I know people with Tourette's ( and I am in the medical field..) and you wouldn't NOT know if your spouse had Tourette's. It's nearly impossible to hide. ADHD is much more vague and easy to " hide" as an adult.. However my guess is she actually had NEITHER, but took meds for ADHD.... Which allowed her to maintain her weight without resorting to binge/purge activity that is associated with bulimia.


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[Linda9681]

Notice she is heavier in the Idaho ID, and one other Texas DL ( was she pregnant then or just had the baby?) I know fertility drugs wreck your hormones and cause horrible weight gain( I took clomid and gained 15 lbs in three months).. So she may have been on Fertility meds then.. Anyway if she was a self admitted weight issue, I can almost certainly say she had this issue all her life. It doesn't just go away without serious therapy.


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[sunnynz]

I can't help but think that the lowest hanging fruit here is the FH family. Beezneez did you ever get to submit that FOIA request? If there was more complete info in that it might tell us whether Velling approached that family or not. If he didn't then the obvious thing to do is for someone to approach them - or is that inappropriate?

TT out and out said that the FH family was the place to enquire and I think that was for a very good reason.

While we all wait to see if the DA 'discovery' eventuates, the FH link seems so very obvious!

Anyone have an email address for the current investigator who took over from Velling? I am going to email them about the FH link and ask if it's been looked into. Thanks

 

[Sherwood Park]

Anyone have an email address for the current investigator who took over from Velling? I am going to email them about the FH link and ask if it's been looked into. Thanks

If no one is able to get you a direct email address, maybe try contacting the persons on FLEK's NAMUS contact page for the info.
As I was looking at the page I noticed they gave her case 4 of 5 stars for Identification Potential. Sigh, it's been a few years now, hopefully the detectives truly are close to finding out her original identification.

https://identifyus.org/cases/9863

 

[sunnynz]

Thanks sherwood. I'm not in the US so would be expensive for me to call. I tried briefly to find an email for the contact on Namus but no luck. Will have another try tomorrow.

 

[MizKim]

Thanks sherwood. I'm not in the US so would be expensive for me to call. I tried briefly to find an email for the contact on Namus but no luck. Will have another try tomorrow.

here ya go the email for the Namus contact

Dolly.Welch{@}co.gregg.tx.us

(remove the brackets of course)

 

[sunnynz]

here ya go the email for the Namus contact

Dolly.Welch{@}co.gregg.tx.us

(remove the brackets of course)

Thanks. I'll let you all know what she says.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

From the NINDS:
"Tics are classified as either simple or complex. Simple motor tics are sudden, brief, repetitive movements that involve a limited number of muscle groups. Some of the more common simple tics include eye blinking and other eye movements, facial grimacing, shoulder shrugging, and head or shoulder jerking. Simple vocalizations might include repetitive throat-clearing, sniffing, or grunting sounds."

"Many individuals with TS experience additional neurobehavioral problems that often cause more impairment than the tics themselves. These include inattention, hyperactivity and impulsivity (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder—ADHD); problems with reading, writing, and arithmetic; and obsessive-compulsive symptoms such as intrusive thoughts/worries and repetitive behaviors. For example, worries about dirt and germs may be associated with repetitive hand-washing, and concerns about bad things happening may be associated with ritualistic behaviors such as counting, repeating, or ordering and arranging. People with TS have also reported problems with depression or anxiety disorders, as well as other difficulties with living, that may or may not be directly related to TS."
Given the descriptions about FLEK, these impairments weren't hidden. They can't be. Stress makes these symptoms worse and she certainly was under a lot of stress.

What I really meant was that I wanted to know more about HER alleged Tourette's. For instance, who is the person who put that information out there, was she actually diagnosed, was she taking medication, what were HER symptoms according to the person who came forward with that information? But I do see that you were also responding as to whether it would by noticable to others. Thank you!

 

[WantingToHelp]

What I really meant was that I wanted to know more about HER alleged Tourette's. For instance, who is the person who put that information out there, was she actually diagnosed, was she taking medication, what were HER symptoms according to the person who came forward with that information? But I do see that you were also responding as to whether it would by noticable to others. Thank you!

Just a medical FYI... People who have narcolepsy also take the drug Adderall. (I know bc I have narcolepsy and I'm prescribed adderall.) adderall just isn't for ADHD, although it is the most heard of.

i remember reading somewhere that FLEK would often go and "sleep" or "nap" or "rest" when around company. And people assumed it was bc she wasn't sociable or bc she didn't like interacting with blakes family, etc. people immediately jumped in and thought she didn't socialize bc she didn't want people to ask her any questions.

BUT... The first thing that came to my mind when I read that statement was that FLEK had a sleep disorder. Either narcolepsy or sleep apnea.

of course we don't know for sure what she had, but I wanted to give another view point on this that I haven't seen yet.

 

[WantingToHelp]

The original post inquiring about RWB is in the Becky Sue Turner thread.
Sunny's inquiry is a valid question, we don't know if FLEK used the BST name for only getting an Idaho ID, so the question is valid. As mentioned elsewhere it may or may not mean anything.
The inquiry isn't really about RWB, it was about finding out who the BST is, in the odd and unlikely (but still possible) chance that this BST is FLEK.
The marriage between RWB and the possible BST/FLEK would provide info.
Personally I doubt this BST is FLEK, but you never know. This case is so baffling.

I searched for a Becky turner associated with RWB. I found a Becky turner, age 47, location of Scottsdale, Arizona with relationships names of: R W Turner and a Rob Turner.

http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?s...=Turner&city=&state=&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&Age=

not sure if I can post this link to my findings, if not allowed it can be deleted.

 

[Sherwood Park]

What I really meant was that I wanted to know more about HER alleged Tourette's. For instance, who is the person who put that information out there, was she actually diagnosed, was she taking medication, what were HER symptoms according to the person who came forward with that information? But I do see that you were also responding as to whether it would by noticable to others. Thank you!

I knew what you meant
Correct, I posted that information in regards to your question about noticing the symptoms.

WantingToHelp made a good point about Narcolepsy. I never thought about that option before, but yes, Adderrall is off label for narcolepsy and a few other disorders.
Once again, good questions, but once again, no way to have them answered

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I searched for a Becky turner associated with RWB. I found a Becky turner, age 47, location of Scottsdale, Arizona with relationships names of: R W Turner and a Rob Turner.

http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?s...=Turner&city=&state=&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&Age=

not sure if I can post this link to my findings, if not allowed it can be deleted.

I don't see the one you referenced, but what I find most interesting about these lists are the entries that have no known associations with them that are from the questioned areas ..... Idaho, Washington, Arizona etc. that are in the correct age range.

 

[tarheelslim]

I don't see the one you referenced, but what I find most interesting about these lists are the entries that have no known associations with them that are from the questioned areas ..... Idaho, Washington, Arizona etc. that are in the correct age range.

Because names go through phases of popularity, it makes sense to see them clustered around a specific range of years.

Especially when you're talking first and middle name - that's 2 names that would need to be popular at the same time.

 

[WantingToHelp]

I don't see the one you referenced, but what I find most interesting about these lists are the entries that have no known associations with them that are from the questioned areas ..... Idaho, Washington, Arizona etc. that are in the correct age range.

If you click on the link, it's the 18th name down the list. I made a mistake and put Scottsdale, AZ in my original post. It should have said Springdale, Az.

 

[LaLaw2000]

If you click on the link, it's the 18th name down the list. I made a mistake and put Scottsdale, AZ in my original post. It should have said Springdale, Az.

No, that one actually states Springdale, AR. That is Springdale, Arkansas, not Arizona.

 

[llywrch]

I knew what you meant
Correct, I posted that information in regards to your question about noticing the symptoms.

WantingToHelp made a good point about Narcolepsy. I never thought about that option before, but yes, Adderrall is off label for narcolepsy and a few other disorders.
Once again, good questions, but once again, no way to have them answered

Well, has anyone thought to find her doctor & ask these kinds of questions? There must be a doctor involved: Adderall, & the better-known drug for ADHD Ritalin, are both Schedule II drugs which one can only buy with a doctor's script. And if you can find a pharmacy that not only carries it, but has it in stock. IMHO it's easier to buy meth -- which is illegal than it is to buy Ritalin -- which is a Schedule II drug.

And by "anyone", I'm also including agent Velling. I don't think doctor-patient privilege survives the patient's death, & if the inquiry from LE is based on identifying the patient, I don't think any reasonable doctor would refuse to cooperate. And having a professional opinion/diagnosis about LEK's medical profile -- if she had something like Marfan syndrome, or if she had ADHD, etc. -- would save us a lot of guessing. And if Velling did get a medical profile of LEK, whether or not that is shared with us, would allow us to eliminate some possibilities based on an argument from silence. For example, it would allow us to consider it reasonable to assume she didn't have ADHD (as I wrote above, Adderall & Ritalin would require a diagnosis & prescription), & those pills Blake reports she was taking might have been something innocent such as over-the-counter medication like aspirin, or vitamins. Of course, if we knew that we'd then ask why she was obsessively taking pills: was she a hypochondriac?

And if Velling never talked to her physician, then that is a lead someone in LE needs to follow up on. Many medical conditions are based on genes, which would help narrow the possibilities.

(And if Velling had that information, but either was holding it back for various reasons or I missed reading that, then I'm just showing my ignorance again.)

 

[Beezneez]

Well, has anyone thought to find her doctor & ask these kinds of questions? There must be a doctor involved: Adderall, & the better-known drug for ADHD Ritalin, are both Schedule II drugs which one can only buy with a doctor's script. And if you can find a pharmacy that not only carries it, but has it in stock. IMHO it's easier to buy meth -- which is illegal than it is to buy Ritalin -- which is a Schedule II drug.

And by "anyone", I'm also including agent Velling. I don't think doctor-patient privilege survives the patient's death, & if the inquiry from LE is based on identifying the patient, I don't think any reasonable doctor would refuse to cooperate. And having a professional opinion/diagnosis about LEK's medical profile -- if she had something like Marfan syndrome, or if she had ADHD, etc. -- would save us a lot of guessing. And if Velling did get a medical profile of LEK, whether or not that is shared with us, would allow us to eliminate some possibilities based on an argument from silence. For example, it would allow us to consider it reasonable to assume she didn't have ADHD (as I wrote above, Adderall & Ritalin would require a diagnosis & prescription), & those pills Blake reports she was taking might have been something innocent such as over-the-counter medication like aspirin, or vitamins. Of course, if we knew that we'd then ask why she was obsessively taking pills: was she a hypochondriac?

And if Velling never talked to her physician, then that is a lead someone in LE needs to follow up on. Many medical conditions are based on genes, which would help narrow the possibilities.

(And if Velling had that information, but either was holding it back for various reasons or I missed reading that, then I'm just showing my ignorance again.)

While HIPPA is effective at protecting a persons medical records & privacy for 50 years after death, Blake may have access to them. Since they were divorced he might have had to go through the courts to become an executor, although I don't know what their divorce entailed as far as her estate. If he kept the house & they were just renting to her or letting her stay until she found something else perhaps there wasn't really anything for him to legally oversee after her death.
I am only pointing this all out because it is important to understand that Velling, or anyone cannot just obtain someones medical recs after they have passed. The only person that can obtain them is the spouse, or executor (sibling, child, legally named rep). Since she didn't have anyone, Blake is my best guess, but in some cases a recently divorced spouse cannot be named executor- for obvious reasons. It must be someone independent. The only way to obtain those records would be through Blake, if at all.

 

[Aluev]

While HIPPA is effective at protecting a persons medical records & privacy for 50 years after death, Blake may have access to them. Since they were divorced he might have had to go through the courts to become an executor, although I don't know what their divorce entailed as far as her estate. If he kept the house & they were just renting to her or letting her stay until she found something else perhaps there wasn't really anything for him to legally oversee after her death.
I am only pointing this all out because it is important to understand that Velling, or anyone cannot just obtain someones medical recs after they have passed. The only person that can obtain them is the spouse, or executor (sibling, child, legally named rep). Since she didn't have anyone, Blake is my best guess, but in some cases a recently divorced spouse cannot be named executor- for obvious reasons. It must be someone independent. The only way to obtain those records would be through Blake, if at all.

The divorce wasn't finalized when she died so technically they were still married. She was served the divorce papers on 12/20/2010 and a response on her part was due by 01/10/2011. The divorce was dismissed after her suicide on 01/07/2011.

Some interesting records from Fannin County, TX court case searches (for their Leonard, TX residence):

An Assault charge dated 9-18-2010, Case CR10-0144JP2

On the divorce case: it was filed 8-5-2010, Case FA10-39830, the last motions and citations filed 12-14-2010
were just 10 days before Lori's suicide

http://www.co.fannin.tx.us/default.aspx?Fannin_County/Public.Records.Search

 

[Beezneez]

The divorce wasn't finalized when she died so technically they were still married. She was served the divorce papers on 12/20/2010 and a response on her part was due by 01/10/2011. The divorce was dismissed after her suicide on 01/07/2011.

Good to know. However that doesn't change the accessibility to her medical records.

 

[Sherwood Park]

Well, has anyone thought to find her doctor & ask these kinds of questions? There must be a doctor involved: Adderall, & the better-known drug for ADHD Ritalin, are both Schedule II drugs which one can only buy with a doctor's script. And if you can find a pharmacy that not only carries it, but has it in stock. IMHO it's easier to buy meth -- which is illegal than it is to buy Ritalin -- which is a Schedule II drug.

And by "anyone", I'm also including agent Velling. I don't think doctor-patient privilege survives the patient's death, & if the inquiry from LE is based on identifying the patient, I don't think any reasonable doctor would refuse to cooperate. And having a professional opinion/diagnosis about LEK's medical profile -- if she had something like Marfan syndrome, or if she had ADHD, etc. -- would save us a lot of guessing. And if Velling did get a medical profile of LEK, whether or not that is shared with us, would allow us to eliminate some possibilities based on an argument from silence. For example, it would allow us to consider it reasonable to assume she didn't have ADHD (as I wrote above, Adderall & Ritalin would require a diagnosis & prescription), & those pills Blake reports she was taking might have been something innocent such as over-the-counter medication like aspirin, or vitamins. Of course, if we knew that we'd then ask why she was obsessively taking pills: was she a hypochondriac?

And if Velling never talked to her physician, then that is a lead someone in LE needs to follow up on. Many medical conditions are based on genes, which would help narrow the possibilities.

(And if Velling had that information, but either was holding it back for various reasons or I missed reading that, then I'm just showing my ignorance again.)

Velling has shared some or all of the medical information that he is aware of regarding FLEK, it's in the media interviews.
I don't really feel the need to try to obtain medical information about FLEK, if the family or detectives find it necessary then they can and would follow HIPAA and Texas state laws in requesting that information.
FLEK's former husband and law enforcement don't have automatic access to her medical records, they did have to follow the procedures for HIPAA in order to obtain information and if approved only relevant information would be provided, not necessarily all of her medical info would be given to them.

I don't think too many women would want their former (or soon to be former) husbands and in-laws accessing their entire medical history after their death. Especially a family that they were in the midst of a legal battle with, a family that they tried to keep from knowing anything about them.