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Do identify brokers typically create such intertwined names and places that seem to be connected, but a connection can't be found easily like in FLEK?
Nothing surprising about that when Johnson is as common of a last name as Smith (IMO)
ETA: I studied the McCandless family tree. His mother does not really look like FLEK, IMO.
Do identify brokers typically create such intertwined names and places that seem to be connected, but a connection can't be found easily like in FLEK?
sorry should have said coincidental..im aware of the commonality of the Jones Surname, i just thought people would connect what i was saying...
No problem, I just didn't think it was surprising. If they had a really unusual surname in common I would go back and look into it a bit more.
Hello...I don't post much but have brought this theory up before. Is it possible that Lori really is BST? Have we ever seen a pic of young BST? I always thought it was weird that she was buried the following day after the fire, but understand some cultures and religions do this. This would explain how she knew the dob and parent names of Becky. I know the Turners have denied this but still think it's a possibility she really didn't die in that fire. Maybe an insurance scheme or so... My own opinion.
Or these people were never sought out by investigators or Seattle Times reporters because of their professed disinterest in talking to anybody who knew her after 1988.Maybe she did and they have just not been found or come forward ...
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I still say that she could have done all of this on her own. Back in the 1980's, birthdates, problems of identity theft, even social security numbers were not considered to be personal data that needed to be carefully guarded. Also--has anybody ever been prosecuted (or even outed) for operating as an "identity broker" back in the 1980's? Because, frankly, I'm not sure what law such an individual may have broken outside of conspiracy to commit fraud or some similarly wobbly charge. In 1984, Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor Restaraunt, a national chain which specialized in birthday parties for children, was famously outed for selling a list of something like 100,000 names, addresses, and birthdays of children to the Selective Service. It was embarassing for both the restaraunt and the agency, but not illegal.I'm really surprised to see so many posts about an identity broker or help from an organization. I thought the overall sentiment of the forum was that she read that book and used that to change her identity. I really don't think she had the gall to pull this off on her own.
I still say that she could have done all of this on her own. Back in the 1980's, birthdates, problems of identity theft, even social security numbers were not considered to be personal data that needed to be carefully guarded. Also--has anybody ever been prosecuted (or even outed) for operating as an "identity broker" back in the 1980's? Because, frankly, I'm not sure what law such an individual may have broken outside of conspiracy to commit fraud or some similarly wobbly charge. In 1984, Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor Restaraunt, a national chain which specialized in birthday parties for children, was famously outed for selling a list of something like 100,000 names, addresses, and birthdays of children to the Selective Service. It was embarassing for both the restaraunt and the agency, but not illegal.
I've also tried to see if the "60 Minutes" story on identity theft from the 1980's is anyplace online, but I have not yet found it. If it was broadcast prior to 1988, it could certainly have helped this woman as well.
The odds of her picking such a convenient identity, or the odds of her finding such a convenient identity? I think that she picked that identity because it was convenient, and I think she found a convenient identity because she invested what effort was necessary into finding such an identity.It's not that it couldn't be done. But the particular identity she stole could not have been more convenient (see previous posts about misspellings and incorrect info listed on official documents). The odds of LEK picking such a convenient identity seem really slim IMO. And I don't think she used an identity broker, I think she was guided by an organization. JMO
The Federal Sentencing Guidelines. To me, it's a federal prison sentence. Who in the North Hollywood PD jurisdiction received a federal prison sentence for 33.5 years? *thinking figuratively* That's a hefty sentence for the feds.Thanks for clarifying. The 402 months thing is really bugging me, who measures time like that and what else could it mean??
I'm split. I know of 2 people from the late 70s/early 80s who went to obscure cemeteries and found the graves of dead children, researched their respective deaths, obtained birth certificates, IDs, etc, and went about their lives with no help from anyone, and never looking back. Where they are now, who knows. That's kind of the point. I myself have reinvented myself gradually more than once. Legally, however. I think that's one reason this case is so interesting to me.I don't think there is enough evidence or facts to support either theory. so nothing is written in stone ....in my opinion.... anything is possible.
One thing I've looked at is the two papers of BST birth papers, one is from the birth book., which she may have got a copy of from microfilm at a local library, the other she may have acquired by using that info. Sounds plausible .I don't know how the libraries work in the U.S. Did they just hold local birth, regional , provincial or national in1980's?.. I know mine held provincial years ago.The article below tells about Birth Cerificate and explains U.S process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate
My theory she or someone else went to the local library and got a copy from the birthbook ..also note the paper has the look of being photo copied .which if the record were only kept locally she or whoever would have obtain this in the bakerfield area.
I was just looking at the notes page again and noticed the "These Eyes" bit seems to be in different handwriting to the rest of it. I know it's been discussed before, but was there ever a conclusion as to whether Lori wrote that bit, or the rest of it?
And I'm beginning to agree that she was being saved from something. Her BST picture has the look of "I'm free!".
And I very much believe that the Ruffs know more about her than they have revealed. Blake especially. How are you married to someone and know absolutely zero about their past? Even if she didn't reveal specifics, she had to have revealed generalizations. Even most strangers who are intimate exchange random pillow talk about how much they enjoy going to certain places or they have visited certain sites, etc. He knew she enjoyed watching basketball games. What else? Surely there was more. And then there's the Cuban food. That's an odd one. If she had liked Mexican, one wouldn't wonder. This is Texas. There's a taco place on every corner. But Cuban? That's a clue. Someone tell us more.
Who are you, Lori???
She is tall, has long hands, fertility problems, breast implants -- what if she had some sort of mixed chromosomes?
During her life, probably few (or none) laid awake at night thinking about her -- now a bunch of us do....
I was just looking at the notes page again and noticed the "These Eyes" bit seems to be in different handwriting to the rest of it. I know it's been discussed before, but was there ever a conclusion as to whether Lori wrote that bit, or the rest of it?
I think it was on the closed thread from a few weeks ago, but Gardener did an excellent job showing exactly that. only these eyes were consistent with known FLEK writings. I almost think most of those scribbles except for these eyes were written by a man.I was just looking at the notes page again and noticed the "These Eyes" bit seems to be in different handwriting to the rest of it. I know it's been discussed before, but was there ever a conclusion as to whether Lori wrote that bit, or the rest of it?
I think it was on the closed thread from a few weeks ago, but Gardener did an excellent job showing exactly that. only these eyes were consistent with known FLEK writings. I almost think most of those scribbles except for these eyes were written by a man.
A lot of these documents should be available via online through PACER, or just through ordering them through the applicable agency if they're now public record. This week, I will look and see what I can personally get my hands on. Being a new person here, I'm not sure exactly what it is that I need to go after. Some direction or a listing would be great.