Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

[oviedo]

I'm hope this question is not too "sensitive"...

Could AR have raped VG in the moments before he killed her?
And could there still be evidence of this found in the ME's autopsy?
This would connect sexual crimes with the murder...

All... JMO...

Perhaps that’s why there was damage to her body ?

 

[oviedo]

Thank you. How foolish to lie in her latest mea culpa statement that she was on a private FB page when so easily verified. (Veteran Humor was also first identified in MSM as a private group).

I suppose BS believes this alleged private audience somehow discounts her sentiment as directed to others that understand it's not what she endorses. Regardless, I don't believe it and don't understand why it took 3 days to clarify. Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Exactly

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Also says a lot about the intellect, or lack thereof, for CA to believe his story.

I'm hope this question is not too "sensitive"...

Could AR have raped VG in the moments before he killed her?
And could there still be evidence of this found in the ME's autopsy?
This would connect sexual crimes with the murder...

All... JMO...

 

[Noharg]

CA has her first court appearance tomorrow according to this article.

Female suspect in Vanessa Guillen case to be in court Monday

 

[m00c0w]

It does seem unusual that he was trusted with having the responsibility and control of an arms room.

If he was twenty then he was likely in the army for two years? Three years at the most?

Is this unusual to you and is it common for someone of his rank to have control of an arms room?

Others with experience have mentioned the buddy system as well. Is that something that is required or suggested?

It will be interesting to know what the FBI finds in their investigation of Fort Hood. I hope it will bring about some changes.

He was a unit armorer in a separate company from VG. She was her company’s unit armorer. It would not be uncommon at all for either of them to have unaccompanied access to either of their respective arms rooms. There are many factors that come into play including cyclical inventories and personal and auditable alarm codes that would make finding someone who stole anything from the room fairly trivial. To have unaccompanied access, you just have to have a favorable background check (as in, a literal criminal history check; security clearance is not involved here) and approval by the company commander.

 

[m00c0w]

"If Lawyer is right why DIDN’T anyone see crime scene? where she was killed? Who is authorized to enter armory rooms besides the people who work in them?"

Thank YOU for the insight!

Your post just made me aware it would be impossible for a weapons room to NOT be monitored, to NOT have a camera on it, considering the risk and fundamental mission capability element.

There has got to be code and regulations somewhere on the management and monitoring of weapons storage. And I bet they are supposed to be under video camera, under multiple layers of accountability.

On ARs background I was wondering if he had some connections, a father or uncle with rank. But oops. I don't think we are allowed to sleuth family. I am newer too. People other than suspects can be discussed indepth in websleuth inbox messaging though but I would get clarification on that from experienced members, not me.

I don't know anything about ARs background but was also wondering.

VGs sister had a gut or visceral reaction that something wasn't right about Robinson; VGs family knew she was being harassed and I think even stalked during her jogs.

There is no requirement for video surveillance or monitoring. It would be impractical and unfeasible, especially in super old WWII-era buildings that already have asbestos waivers in place.

The relevant regulation is AR 190-11. I’m not going to delve into the minutiae, but the requirements are enough to ensure accountability (as far as AA&E is concerned), and the lack of significant incidents involving AA&E accountability reflects this.

 

[CronesEye]

The problem is no one wants to be a complainer,
so how can you complain?

I am so glad you brought that up. Thank you.

It is a known fact that predators pick targets they assume will be silent. This ranges from sexual predation on children to fearful adults. Targets are watched and assessed.

In that, complaining, having voice and a loud and persistent voice is what is needed. If one is thought to be too much of a risk they are passed up for a more compliant and silent target. (There is even such a thing as The Silent Witness Project, we must never be silenced)

In one instance, walking down the hall yelling, it was for another troop who didn't want to loose their training. I didn't care.

What comes to mind is a very influential songwriter from my youth: Helen Reddy, "I am woman hear me roar". These times need another Helen Reddy.

 

[CronesEye]

There is no requirement for video surveillance or monitoring. It would be impractical and unfeasible, especially in super old WWII-era buildings that already have asbestos waivers in place.

The relevant regulation is AR 190-11. I’m not going to delve into the minutiae, but the requirements are enough to ensure accountability (as far as AA&E is concerned), and the lack of significant incidents involving AA&E accountability reflects this.

I understand.
However in this day and age of surveillance I really find no reason to not have cameras on arms. I actually find it ludicrous they don't since cameras are in so many places, but it's just my opinion.

Thank you for the source, it is much appreciated.

They often do have very responsible people in these positions. It's a shame when personnel issues interfere with operations.

 

[CronesEye]

He was a unit armorer in a separate company from VG. She was her company’s unit armorer. It would not be uncommon at all for either of them to have unaccompanied access to either of their respective arms rooms. There are many factors that come into play including cyclical inventories and personal and auditable alarm codes that would make finding someone who stole anything from the room fairly trivial. To have unaccompanied access, you just have to have a favorable background check (as in, a literal criminal history check; security clearance is not involved here) and approval by the company commander.

Amazing, I would think they would need a security clearance. I know so very little about reality.

 

[gliving]

Military folks, are there usually hammers in an arms room? tysm

 

[CronesEye]

Thank you for your insight and for sharing some of what you experienced. I can't imagine being threatened with a knife while performing such an important task! I hope the good experiences outweighed the bad.

And yes, I believe that changes have been made in word but not necessarily in practice.

When I googled SHARP to find out more about it, I found a study by Boston University in 2016 to determine it's effectiveness.

They stated that research by the Department of Defense shows that it has not declined over the years since it started in 2008.

The study found that it is effective in educating soldiers that problems exist, "but it does not target the societal and gendered norms that have existed in the army that perpetuate a culture which is conducive to harrassment and assault."

So it's not surprising that the army has not found evidence of sexual harrassment since women are afraid to file an official report to begin with.

I hope something positive comes of the investigation into Fort Hood so that women are not afraid to come forward. I would think the army would want their soldiers to have confidence and trust in their leaders.

Imo

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"So it's not surprising that the army has not found evidence of sexual harrassment since women are afraid to file an official report to begin with."

Could be that it is normalized, to be expected, beyond the fear and discomfort. But then it gets to be too much, so it does need to be addressed. And honestly with the internet, some recent people in the public eye and other factors our standards have just gone way down.

As far as the army wanting their soldiers to have confidence and trust in their leaders, there are still those who don't want women in the military.

Me, I am waiting for that first female Navy Seal and yes female President!
But not everyone feels the way I do.
One troop at a time we will get there.
Thank you for your service Vanessa.

The First Woman Has Made it Through SEAL Officer Screening

 

[Joeltider]

Military folks, are there usually hammers in an arms room? tysm

1999 MP and Armorer. Yes not out of place.

Our room contained the company arms and some basic tools. Also I would mention that 75-80% of my shift was solo. We worked all hours supporting MP shift changes. I occasionally had folks around. Music, books and cleaning to fill time.

 

[Boxer]

CA has her first court appearance tomorrow according to this article.

Female suspect in Vanessa Guillen case to be in court Monday

Unless there turns out to be evidence of a major clean up in armory, MOO believe AR may have taken VG to the river alive and ARN and CA both killed her.

The rage and destruction are so extreme. MOO CAs demeanor and look on her face is that of someone getting away with something.

Interesting to know when the results of luminol test presume was done in ARs armory.

 

[Lillymac]

When and why was AR first considered a suspect? Was something found at the river that tied him to the disapperance? And then they started checking him out?
If this has been discussed or posted, just point me to it. Thanks.

 

[Ninja Bunny]

Thank you. How foolish to lie in her latest mea culpa statement that she was on a private FB page when so easily verified. (Veteran Humor was also first identified in MSM as a private group).

I suppose BS believes this alleged private audience somehow discounts her sentiment as directed to others that understand it's not what she endorses. Regardless, I don't believe it and don't understand why it took 3 days to clarify. Liar, liar, pants on fire.

It wasn’t even a private page. It was a public one with hundreds of thousands of followers. You don’t even need a FB account to find it and read it. She put it out there for all the world to see.

 

[Noharg]

When and why was AR first considered a suspect? Was something found at the river that tied him to the disapperance? And then they started checking him out?
If this has been discussed or posted, just point me to it. Thanks.

Good ol’ cell phone pings I believe.

Phone records tied Vanessa Guillen suspects to remains | khou.com

 

[Lillymac]

Good ol’ cell phone pings I believe.

Phone records tied Vanessa Guillen suspects to remains | khou.com

Wow! This really has been messed up from the beginning as far as being investigated properly. And if AR and CA had gotten rid of their phones they probably wouldn't have even gotten caught. SMH

 

[California Sunset]

Wow! This really has been messed up from the beginning as far as being investigated properly. And if AR and CA had gotten rid of their phones they probably wouldn't have even gotten caught. SMH

How do you know they 'messed up from the beginning'? Does it actually say what they were aware of when? I was under the impression the investigation was kept under close wraps.

 

[California Sunset]

If the Army would clarify ARs rank it would help.
Why did Robinson meet with the family?
Because he was the person she was on the way to seeing when she disappeared?
Or because he was her supervisor.

MOO think he may have had a set of temp stripes, if not and he was doing E5 duties without authority, that is a command problem.

The Army for obvious reasons does not want this to be sergeant on private crime, so they are working to get them percieved as peer E4s.
The 2 star self-servingly at the PC called VG a "Specialist" in his rambling press conference.
MOO that's step one of the same old game plan, minimize, delay, distract and deny.

MOO based on the skillful story AR gave CA, that he killed VG "for their love," and how hard it was to solve due to ARs assertive actions, to me it appears that AR was very smart and able to work people's perceptions, AKA a skillful and confident liar.

MOO since AR ended up a murderer, it would not be a stretch to say he almost certainly very creepy before hand, but given his people skills was able to hide it from everyone except his target.

I heard he was a Spc.4

 

[California Sunset]

If the Army would clarify ARs rank it would help.
Why did Robinson meet with the family?
Because he was the person she was on the way to seeing when she disappeared?
Or because he was her supervisor.

MOO think he may have had a set of temp stripes, if not and he was doing E5 duties without authority, that is a command problem.

The Army for obvious reasons does not want this to be sergeant on private crime, so they are working to get them percieved as peer E4s.
The 2 star self-servingly at the PC called VG a "Specialist" in his rambling press conference.
MOO that's step one of the same old game plan, minimize, delay, distract and deny.

MOO based on the skillful story AR gave CA, that he killed VG "for their love," and how hard it was to solve due to ARs assertive actions, to me it appears that AR was very smart and able to work people's perceptions, AKA a skillful and confident liar.

MOO since AR ended up a murderer, it would not be a stretch to say he almost certainly very creepy before hand, but given his people skills was able to hide it from everyone except his target.

I heard he was a Spc.4

Yes, I was referring to the statement that if someone kills someone in a rage they will be charged with murder. In some states, such as New York, that's not always the case.

Texas does not distinguish between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter so the charge would have been murder either way.

Imo

But doesn't this fall under the category of federal or military law and not the state? It was on a military base.