Most all of the info regarding insurance fraud is definitely "out there", and is probably not worthy of discussion..
Yep.They've got cop conspiracies, insurance conspiracies, *advertiser censored* conspiracies. Pure garbage.
Nowadays no matter what happens or how many people were killed, people come out of the woodwork with conspiracy theories, yelling "false flag!!", and other assorted nonsense.
Its a huge insult to the victims.
You can throw me in with the minority who believe they knew their killers...or at least one of the girls did.
The timing of it was a possible clue that seems to have went nowhere. Of all nights for this tragedy to happen, its the night when Sarah and her friend Amy are there. It might mean nothing, it might mean everything.
In the crime scene photo, you see the empty booth is the one closest to the register, as if the killers may have been sitting there talking to the girls as they're about to close up shop. Also the fact that the killers just drank soda(supposedly) sounds like something acquaintances might do as they're just hanging out and not real customers.
As many others have brought up, why rob the yogurt shop? There's got to be plenty of pizza parlors, gas stations, etc. open at that hour in the general vicinity that would have more money than ICBIY.
No matter what the real motive was, it escalated very quickly and the entire scenario finished very quickly. Witnesses there not long before closing and the call came in at 11:47.
Its unfortunate that extreme tunnel vision took over and derailed the investigation.
Therefore I feel this wasn't a robbery gone awry, depending on the nature and origination of the bindings, it seems waaaaay too organized, for a bunch of crazy teen boys,
Way too organized? I guess that would depend on how you interpret the word organized. The girls were bound with their own clothing meaning nothing to restrain them was brought to the scene, a couple of the victims were strangled as well as shot, a couple victims also sodomized, no attempt to get into the room containing the safe even though robbery is the motive on the surface, etc.
That sounds the opposite of organized. Its very helter skelter.
The back door was not used to access the shop, so the back door was not propped open and whoever the sketchy guy who went to the bathroom that the former cop had seen was, he had nothing to do with the crime.
That actually doesn't rule him out. All it would mean is that he didn't leave through the back door, prop it open, and then come back.
2) Although it seems obvious that Springsteen and Scott were railroaded, some parts of their stories are still bothersome. The fact that Pierce volunteered (at the mall) that the gun he was carrying might have been used by someone else in the killings (which it actually wasn't) is disturbing.
What's much more disturbing than that is the fact LE and DA thought they were involved even though zero evidence backs this up. For these boys to be involved would mean another group of people would've needed to be there to do the raping and killing.
Also, how did Springsteen know (and could demonstrate) the contorted position in which Amy laid after she died?
They didn't do it. When suspects have to constantly be fed information about what happened in the shop yet continually get information wrong(and didn't rape any of the victims) it's a sign that they're not involved.
Completely agreed. Having seen the videoed confessions in their entirety though, I do not believe that to be the case in this situation.
It basically became a multiple choice quiz. They kept getting answers wrong, were told to try again, and just went down the list until it was the answer LE wanted. Keep repeating until you have a "confession".
This case wasn't the pursuit of justice. It was the pursuit of horse manure.
The piece about the guy who went behind the counter is interesting. It seemed as if Eliza Thomas knew the individual who went behind the counter to use the restroom and let him go to the back room,
This is my feeling as well...regardless of how suspicious the witnesses describe these suspects. A girl unlikely to let a strange, suspicious guy go in the back to use the restroom while they are in the process of wrapping everything up for the night.
He probably hung out there a while until the officer left. Two men had been lingering for at least an hour before close. The front door was locked at close, which means they stayed behind, probably because the girls allowed them to. Did they meet them that night and befriend, or did they know them for a while? Either way, they didn't think they were a threat up until the murder took place. Did the 2 who went to the movies meet them and bring them back? Did these guys meet the girls in the shop that night and ask what they were doing after? Did they all know each other before this night? No matter what the answer is, it seems as if there were plans made for after close with these guys.
Million dollar questions in that post.,,and I agree with your last sentence.
Movies, malls, and pizzas....all three involving locations where girls can meet up with guys and two of the murder victims(the youngest) had just been to all three prior to the murders. Like you said, was it random guys they possibly stumbled across that night or guys some of the girls already know?
In either scenario(or even complete strangers), what's frightening is the rate of escalation. In the span of 30-45 minutes we go from robbery(?), assault, rape, sodomy, murder, and arson.
What sparked the chain reaction?
We've all heard of so called "robbery gone wrong" scenarios but this case really takes it to such an extreme it makes you wonder if its even a real motive. It might've been a last second decision to grab the cash on the way out the door.
The can of soda was left unopened on the counter. After the door was locked and the shop was closed, the whole group would have gone to the back room, which is when this all took place, somewhere within a half an hour to forty-five minutes. All we know for certain is that one of these guys raped two of these girls. Probably the girls were stuck there at gunpoint, but the backdoor was also right there and no one was able to escape, though it's the way these two males exited, since the front door was still locked.
Yeah...a lot going down in a short period of time in a very small space. As far as no one escaping, the girls likely 'froze'(as many would do) and before you have any real time to think, it's already too late.
I need to read the latest book. Its been a long time since I read Murdered Innocents.