UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #8

[KateB]

Claudia Lawrence

Claudia Lawrence investigation
http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/13147

It is now six years since Claudia Lawrence disappeared without trace in York. Despite the intensive efforts of the police, the resolve of her heart-broken family and saturated media coverage, her sudden disappearance remains a mystery.

North Yorkshire Police's commitment and determination to solve the case and bring closure for Claudia's loved-ones, is undiminished by the passage of time.

Detective Superintendent Dai Malyn, head of the force's enhanced Major Crime Unit, is leading a comprehensive review of the original investigation.

This has been supported by national experts from other forces and agencies, including forensic specialists who recently completed a re-examination of Claudia's home on Heworth Road in York.

As a result of this work, Det Supt Malyn and his team have identified new lines of enquiry and fresh public appeals to pursue, as well as renewed appeals on previous key items of interest to the investigation.

Detective Chief Superintendent Simon Mason, Head of Crime for North Yorkshire Police, said: "The decision to focus and prioritise the efforts of the enhanced Major Crime Unit on this case and undertake a comprehensive review of the original investigation, is producing progressive results which we expect to continue over time."

Use our interactive map to explore these lines of enquiry and CCTV footage from the investigation. Zoom in and click the hotspots for more information:
Interactive map - Google My Maps
If you have any information that could assist the investigation, please contact North Yorkshire Police on 101, select option 1, and pass details to the Force Control Room. Please quote "Claudia Lawrence" when passing on details.

The independent charity Crimestoppers has also lent its support by offering a £10,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest and charge. Callers can remain anonymous.

Please pass information to Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111, quoting "Claudia Lawrence, North Yorkshire Police". Alternatively, go to www.crimestoppers-uk.org and fill in an Anonymous Online Form.

Timeline: http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/13193

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[Yozzer]

Therefore you are saying he is not the Embassy cig smoker ( they would have established that yes ?) and is not one of the unidentified finger prints found in her house !?

Why assume that an unidentified print in her home would belong to a criminal? Regarding the smoker.....CL had many male friends/colleagues/associates. And a few female friends too. Any one of them could have been a smoker as could one of the garage mechanics.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

On the opposite side of the road walking form right to left is a male unfortunately I cant upload a clear photo of him in one frame I would describe him as wearing a light coloured garment which has a dark body most likely a bodywarmer, dark trousers hes also wearing a large oversized across the body bag which is light coloured the position of the bag is in full view as it falls on the persons right side.

If the man is walking from right to left, then I think, the large bag couldn't be seen as clear as you say, IF it is hanging on his right shoulder. His right shoulder would be on the opposite side (from camera view). Am I wrong with that?
I'm concentrating on a man, walking from right to left, wearing something light (maybe a vest perhaps?), dark sleeves and maybe jeans color, where his legs would be. The bag I can't see, but perhaps guess.

 

[keep-it-real]

If the man is walking from right to left, then I think, the large bag couldn't be seen as clear as you say, if it is hanging on his right shoulder. His right shoulder would be on the opposite side (from camera view). Am I wrong with that?

Youre right FG I have his left and right mixed up the bag is hanging on his left side,

 

[MajorLang]

Overnight I looked the section of the cctv video clip again, this is the clip from the Limes Court Carpark camera and shows the light coloured car lets say its a ford focus asthat have most people refer to it. Its only a a short clip as it shows the ford focus passing the entrance to Limes Court it gives only a short opportunity to capture any activity.
The female is standing on the pavement on corner of the entrance as before. (1)
On the opposite side of the road walking form right to left is a male unfortunately I cant upload a clear photo of him in one frame I would describe him as wearing a light coloured garment which has a dark body most likely a bodywarmer, dark trousers hes also wearing a large oversized across the body bag which is light coloured the position of the bag is in full view as it falls on the persons right side.
There is a another image of a male (2) I am able to capture him a and have attatched the photo but in doing so I have to loose some of the image of the female, her head shape and hair is still faintly visible see arrow (2), he is tall he wears a top garment with light sleeves and dark body, hes wearing light coloured trousers and is starting to cross the road.
I will point that when I was viewing the long shot of the breaking car on Heworth road later I noted that this tall man was walking down from the direction of one the houses that lined Heworth road I can see his clothing the body of his jacket is dark the sleeves are a brighter colour they appear yellow, his trousers are a light colour. He crosses the road after the ford focus passes.
The female begins the cross the road before he reaches the otherside, on reaching the other side of the road he continue walking right to left along the pavement and Lime Court Boundary brick wall.
I also noted that when the female crossed the road another person crossed the road too, he had not reached the spot where she was stood but did cross at a the same time. I am unable to see him in detail but he is wearing a large rucksack.
When later viewing the long shot footage of the breaking car on Heworth Road Its clear there was considerable activity on Heworth Road and would take up some pages to detail here.
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Again this is the type of analysis that sets this thread apart from many others.
The activity that you mention suggests to me that there were many involved in Claudia disappearance, unless you believe that they were on footage for innocent reasons? In these circumstances, do you believe that MT be considered a prime suspect?

 

[Popejohn3]

Why assume that an unidentified print in her home would belong to a criminal? Regarding the smoker.....CL had many male friends/colleagues/associates. And a few female friends too. Any one of them could have been a smoker as could one of the garage mechanics.

It was established it was not the mechanic.
And I’m sure the police would have checked the few ? Smokers that smoked embassy ?
And I would say her friends would have done it willingly

 

[Popejohn3]

Youre right FG I have his left and right mixed up the bag is hanging on his left side,

People need to be specific the body of the bag could be hanging on left hip but the strap around the head but over the right shoulder

 

[Popejohn3]

Overnight I looked the section of the cctv video clip again, this is the clip from the Limes Court Carpark camera and shows the light coloured car lets say its a ford focus asthat have most people refer to it. Its only a a short clip as it shows the ford focus passing the entrance to Limes Court it gives only a short opportunity to capture any activity.
The female is standing on the pavement on corner of the entrance as before. (1)
On the opposite side of the road walking form right to left is a male unfortunately I cant upload a clear photo of him in one frame I would describe him as wearing a light coloured garment which has a dark body most likely a bodywarmer, dark trousers hes also wearing a large oversized across the body bag which is light coloured the position of the bag is in full view as it falls on the persons right side.
There is a another image of a male (2) I am able to capture him a and have attatched the photo but in doing so I have to loose some of the image of the female, her head shape and hair is still faintly visible see arrow (2), he is tall he wears a top garment with light sleeves and dark body, hes wearing light coloured trousers and is starting to cross the road.
I will point that when I was viewing the long shot of the breaking car on Heworth road later I noted that this tall man was walking down from the direction of one the houses that lined Heworth road I can see his clothing the body of his jacket is dark the sleeves are a brighter colour they appear yellow, his trousers are a light colour. He crosses the road after the ford focus passes.
The female begins the cross the road before he reaches the otherside, on reaching the other side of the road he continue walking right to left along the pavement and Lime Court Boundary brick wall.
I also noted that when the female crossed the road another person crossed the road too, he had not reached the spot where she was stood but did cross at a the same time. I am unable to see him in detail but he is wearing a large rucksack.
When later viewing the long shot footage of the breaking car on Heworth Road Its clear there was considerable activity on Heworth Road and would take up some pages to detail here.
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This figure of a female crossing the road looks very much like Claudia to me

 

[Popejohn3]

Again this is the type of analysis that sets this thread apart from many others.
The activity that you mention suggests to me that there were many involved in Claudia disappearance, unless you believe that they were on footage for innocent reasons? In these circumstances, do you believe that MT be considered a prime suspect?

The flagging of MT ( if it is established that the Tang Hall picture is him ) probably due to Peter Lawrence phenomenal success in engaging many people to help and talk about her .And I’m sure many did talk about her.MT could have easily known her but that’s it ,

 

[keep-it-real]

People need to be specific the body of the bag could be hanging on left hip but the strap around the head but over the right shoulder

Youre right PJ apologises for any confusion.. just to confirm the picture of the the first male I couldnt capture on a clear photo was walking on the opposide side of the road to Claudia in a right to left direction, he was wearing a light coloured top garment with a dark body the dark part could have been a bodywarmer. he was wore a large light coloured bag worn across the body.. slung over his right shoulder and hung on his left hip...

 

[Popejohn3]

Youre right PJ apologises for any confusion.. just to confirm the picture of the the first male I couldnt capture on a clear photo was walking on the opposide side of the road to Claudia in a right to left direction, he was wearing a light coloured top garment with a dark body the dark part could have been a bodywarmer. he was wore a large light coloured bag worn across the body.. slung over his right shoulder and hung on his left hip...

Can we please see a still of the man crossing

 

[keep-it-real]

Can we please see a still of the man crossing

do you mean the male with the large light coloured bag?

 

[Popejohn3]

do you mean the male with the large light coloured bag?

Yes

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes

I did explain PJ I wasnt able to capture a clear enough photo of him in one frame.. I will have another go at it when I get time

 

[Yozzer]

It was established it was not the mechanic.
And I’m sure the police would have checked the few ? Smokers that smoked embassy ?
And I would say her friends would have done it willingly

I doubt they would have fingerprinted every one who had ever visited CL's house. Think of all the visitors CL would have had round: friends (long and short term), family members, tradesmen, work colleagues - the majority will be innocent folk who have never been in trouble with the law so there will be no record. Only a few have been directly involved with the case. We will probably never know if the prints discovered in 2014 were relevant. Their revelation will certainly have put extra pressure on the guilty party which was NYP's intention in releasing this news. But not every clue will tie up and link neatly with the perp. Some will turn out to be 'red herrings'.
Re the smoker. I think it's a fair chance that one or more of the persons of interest will be a smoker and again, police are fishing and exerting pressure.

 

[keep-it-real]

Again this is the type of analysis that sets this thread apart from many others.
The activity that you mention suggests to me that there were many involved in Claudia disappearance, unless you believe that they were on footage for innocent reasons? In these circumstances, do you believe that MT be considered a prime suspect?

It is important to remember I am not an expert and only have limited tools avail to try and make the footage clearer it would be helpful to everyone to have someone else who could also look more closely at this footage it provides a balanced view.
I can only see what I see, but the footage is complicated the blurring and colouring out of some of the footage has probably been done for a reason. Sometimes this can create conspiracy theories when that reason could simply be that the people revealed in it have been identified and eliminated.
The important part is to try and see if we can identify Claudia on the footage and work forward from that.
If we cant to our satisfaction identify her then we have to put it aside and come back to it later.
When investigating anything you gather all information some will be immediately relevant other things may become relevant later when th pieces of the jigsaw falls into place.
Heworth Road was a very busy place at 5.42 which seems to be the time police have given us for the footage of the breaking car on Heworth Road.
The footage is not seamless and the clear isnt clean it throws up some odd things the further away from the cctv camera the harder it gets to focus in so it is always better to say what you see and not presume or add which might mislead.
Lets start at is Claudia recognisable on the footage?

 

[keep-it-real]

I doubt they would have fingerprinted every one who had ever visited CL's house. Think of all the visitors CL would have had round: friends (long and short term), family members, tradesmen, work colleagues - the majority will be innocent folk who have never been in trouble with the law so there will be no record. Only a few have been directly involved with the case. We will probably never know if the prints discovered in 2014 were relevant. Their revelation will certainly have put extra pressure on the guilty party which was NYP's intention in releasing this news. But not every clue will tie up and link neatly with the perp. Some will turn out to be 'red herrings'.
Re the smoker. I think it's a fair chance that one or more of the persons of interest will be a smoker and again, police are fishing and exerting pressure.

I couldnt agree with you more Yozzer..

 

[Yozzer]

I doubt they would have fingerprinted every one who had ever visited CL's house. Think of all the visitors CL would have had round: friends (long and short term), family members, tradesmen, work colleagues - the majority will be innocent folk who have never been in trouble with the law so there will be no record. Only a few have been directly involved with the case. We will probably never know if the prints discovered in 2014 were relevant. Their revelation will certainly have put extra pressure on the guilty party which was NYP's intention in releasing this news. But not every clue will tie up and link neatly with the perp. Some will turn out to be 'red herrings'.
Re the smoker. I think it's a fair chance that one or more of the persons of interest will be a smoker and again, police are fishing and exerting pressure.

More on prints: Some prints can last for up to 40 years so there is no knowing whether they might have been pre CL as fingerprints cannot be accurately dated yet although this is something being developed as we speak. But great for applying pressure as they offer forensic evidence which has been absent so far due to lack of her remains. Criminals fear forensic evidence.

 

[keep-it-real]

More on prints: Some prints can last for up to 40 years so there is no knowing whether they might have been pre CL as fingerprints cannot be accurately dated yet although this is something being developed as we speak. But great for applying pressure as they offer forensic evidence which has been absent so far due to lack of her remains. Criminals fear forensic evidence.

I wonder why they have never disclosed details of DNA they found.
With DNA offering valueable data on the ethnic mix of a person and in some cases even eye colour surely this information would be provide at least some clues to who may have been the smoker in Claudias car

 

[MajorLang]

It was established it was not the mechanic.
And I’m sure the police would have checked the few ? Smokers that smoked embassy ?
And I would say her friends would have done it willingly

In fact one of her female friends smoked and WAS an embassy regal smoker. Let's hope she stubbed them out "before they hit the ground"