GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #25

[cybervampira]

Missing woman Libby Squire | Humberside Police

Can you help find missing Libby Squire (21) last seen getting into a taxi outside Welly club in Hull at around 11pm last night?

She is 5ft 7ins tall with shoulder length brown hair and was wearing a black long sleeved top, leather jacket and black denim skirt with lace.

If you have seen her please call 101 quoting log 29 of 01/02/19.



Humberside Police

Woman, 21, missing after last being seen getting into taxi on night out

Huge search for missing Libby Squire continues

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[Alyce]

Hopefully if they are staying as late as possible it might mean a verdict

 

[Niner]

Can someone "tag" me if there is a verdict today??

TIA!

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Hopefully if they are staying as late as possible it might mean a verdict

I think they may be debating over murder vs manslaughter. Bound to be one or two of jury not in agreement.

 

[bos]

I would dearly love to know in more detail what the forensic pathologist & critical care expert who testified re hypothermia said.

Having read more on hypothermia, medics dealing with hypothermic patients are advised to keep them horizontal,be gentle and not subject them to sudden positional changes because their heart can go into weird rhythms & ultimately arrest.

There is also the “don’t declare a hypothermic patient dead until they are warm” maxim they work by because breathing, pulse etc is so slow/difficult to detect as blood is diverted from the skin’s surface to try and maintain core temperature.

 

[Ktboo]

Hopefully it’s the majority in favour of murder who are making effortful attempts at convincing the minority still going for manslaughter

 

[C.greek]

I would dearly love to know in more detail what the forensic pathologist & critical care expert who testified re hypothermia said.

Having read more on hypothermia, medics dealing with hypothermic patients are advised to keep them horizontal,be gentle and not subject them to sudden positional changes because their heart can go into weird rhythms & ultimately arrest.

There is also the “don’t declare a hypothermic patient dead until they are warm” maxim they work by because breathing, pulse etc is so slow/difficult to detect as blood is diverted from the skin’s surface to try and maintain core temperature.

The pathologist said no natural causes for her death. Would that exclude cardiac arrest?

 

[bos]

The pathologist said no natural causes for her death. Would that exclude cardiac arrest?

This intrigued me about the judge’s directions, something like “we know the cause of death wasn’t natural”.

I’m guessing that’s based purely on the fact she was 21 with no previous underlying health conditions who would reasonably be expected to live longer *edited to add * if there was no obvious pathology such as furred up arteries or an anatomical irregularity or trauma.

 

[Alyce]

I think they may be debating over murder vs manslaughter. Bound to be one or two of jury not in agreement.

Hopefully the Judge will allow a majority verdict soon.

 

[Sooty]

The pathologist said no natural causes for her death. Would that exclude cardiac arrest?

I think cardiac arrest would be a natural cause if it was due to an existing medical condition, for example an existing heart disease. If it was due to an accident or a trauma it wouldn’t be deemed natural cause, even if essentially it was the cardiac arrest that caused the death. ‘Natural causes’ refers more to the manner of death rather than the specific cause, I believe. Disclaimer: I’m not a medic though! There may be someone better qualified to answer.

 

[Cherwell]

Have they had lunch or are they working through lunch in an effort to finish today?

I'm guessing no real need for a formal lunch break. They wouldn't be going anywhere so will have presumably brought their own packed lunches.

 

[Sooty]

It appears that the jury are being really thoughtful about the verdicts, and there is no doubt it is a complex case. At times we have seen here how the evidence has polarised thoughts within the forum, so I can only imagine it’s the same in their deliberations. MOO

 

[jamjim]

Sophie Corcoran
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No verdicts coming today. Jury has now been sent home for the day and will continue their deliberations from 10.30am tomorrow.