Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

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ly502 said:
I have to believe that he was in possession of some pretty incriminating evidence - they took so much from his house. I don't know the whole psychology of this, but he must have held onto items as trophies, and they could have easily been hidden without the knowledge of his wife. With regard to charges related to behaviors??? eye-witness identification...I feel like they have strong evidence with all of these charges that are unrelated to LS.
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I hope so for sure! Me personally, if my husband was going out as often as he seems to have, I would be having a ruddy great rummage to make sure he wasn’t up to no good!! I’m just suspicious I reckon! Ha
 
Happylappy101 said:
Hello all, new here. I am a lawyer, I don’t specialise in criminal law but I have studied it for many years etc so I can hopefully shed some light on what isn’t quite so obvious.
For burglary, trespass is part of what we call the conduct element of the crime - the actus reus. Trespass must always be proven in a charge of burglary (among other elements, but I won’t go there now). Trespass takes on a different legal meaning, where breaking and entering (by force per say) is not part and parcel to trespassing. Trespassing is simply entering land which you don’t have permission to be on, if that makes sense. So in a nutshell, trespass will always be proven for a charge of burglary, but breaking in by force need not be. It will likely be a sentencing factor though.
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Welcome aboard! Facts are most definitely welcome here.
 
Happylappy101 said:
Hello all, new here. I am a lawyer, I don’t specialise in criminal law but I have studied it for many years etc so I can hopefully shed some light on what isn’t quite so obvious.
For burglary, trespass is part of what we call the conduct element of the crime - the actus reus. Trespass must always be proven in a charge of burglary (among other elements, but I won’t go there now). Trespass takes on a different legal meaning, where breaking and entering (by force per say) is not part and parcel to trespassing. Trespassing is simply entering land which you don’t have permission to be on, if that makes sense. So in a nutshell, trespass will always be proven for a charge of burglary, but breaking in by force need not be. It will likely be a sentencing factor though.
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Thank you! And welcome :)
 
ly502 said:
You should be careful now that you have identified yourself! I'm sure a lot of questions will be coming up over the next week or so...unless you decide to retreat, you could be pretty busy as our "resident expert"! :)
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Haha I am very happy to help! I check the forum when I can, so any direct messages I’ll try and answer :-)
 
Hello - first post - nervous so treat me well.

I’m guessing that the plea hearing at Crown Court next week will be adjourned whilst the new charges are put to him, and his Defence and he have a chance to see the new evidence. I imagine another month to wait then... plus if he does plead guilty, then it’s likely that it will be adjourned for sentencing reports especially a psychological report as there are sexual offences in there.

Sexual offences, plus burglary charges may mean a longer sentence likely a year plus. Time for LE to work out what’s happened re Libby. Maybe they are hoping a spell in jail may loosen his tongue, and he might own up to a few things to his fellows in person. Many a crime has been inravelled by a late night chat to a cell mate.

Plus I’m also thinking Humberside Police are busy with him at the moment, as they consider the bigger picture. If it looks like he’s out in the streets again, It could be police forces from other counties night like to have a chat with him also.
 
Happylappy101 said:
Hello all, new here. I am a lawyer, I don’t specialise in criminal law but I have studied it for many years etc so I can hopefully shed some light on what isn’t quite so obvious.
For burglary, trespass is part of what we call the conduct element of the crime - the actus reus. Trespass must always be proven in a charge of burglary (among other elements, but I won’t go there now). Trespass takes on a different legal meaning, where breaking and entering (by force per say) is not part and parcel to trespassing. Trespassing is simply entering land which you don’t have permission to be on, if that makes sense. So in a nutshell, trespass will always be proven for a charge of burglary, but breaking in by force need not be. It will likely be a sentencing factor though.
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Ermmm how long have you been hovering??
I don’t actually own a frying pan (teal) and I have absolutely no idea where my nearest pig farm is neither!

Welcome! You can assist us all no end I’m sure!!
 
Plod said:
Hello - first post - nervous so treat me well.

I’m guessing that the plea hearing at Crown Court next week will be adjourned whilst the new charges are put to him, and his Defence and he have a chance to see the new evidence. I imagine another month to wait then... plus if he does plead guilty, then it’s likely that it will be adjourned for sentencing reports especially a psychological report as there are sexual offences in there.

Sexual offences, plus burglary charges may mean a longer sentence likely a year plus. Time for LE to work out what’s happened re Libby. Maybe they are hoping a spell in jail may loosen his tongue, and he might own up to a few things to his fellows in person. Many a crime has been inravelled by a late night chat to a cell mate.

Plus I’m also thinking Humberside Police are busy with him at the moment, as they consider the bigger picture. If it looks like he’s out in the streets again, It could be police forces from other counties night like to have a chat with him also.
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Great first post! welcome. I think you have some very logical thoughts as to things that will probably take place...the evaluation, the hope that he eventually can't keep his mouth shut (we know he is impulsive to some extent).
 
Plod said:
Hello - first post - nervous so treat me well.

I’m guessing that the plea hearing at Crown Court next week will be adjourned whilst the new charges are put to him, and his Defence and he have a chance to see the new evidence. I imagine another month to wait then... plus if he does plead guilty, then it’s likely that it will be adjourned for sentencing reports especially a psychological report as there are sexual offences in there.

Sexual offences, plus burglary charges may mean a longer sentence likely a year plus. Time for LE to work out what’s happened re Libby. Maybe they are hoping a spell in jail may loosen his tongue, and he might own up to a few things to his fellows in person. Many a crime has been inravelled by a late night chat to a cell mate.

Plus I’m also thinking Humberside Police are busy with him at the moment, as they consider the bigger picture. If it looks like he’s out in the streets again, It could be police forces from other counties night like to have a chat with him also.
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Delighted to have you and Happylappy here, enjoyed your first posts :) Thank you!
 
Newthoughts said:
This might be a daft question but here goes

The police have new charges of burglary and receiving stolen good. If they had found a stack of stolen goods in his possession what would make them distinguish between ones they'd thought he had stolen and ones they thought someone else had stolen? Does that suggest they have the original thief already?

Another daft question. The new charges again include burglary. The last burglary charges were trespass rather then breaking in. Is is always the case if the police just say burglary? Or could that include breaking and entering.
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We don't know the exact details of the actual charges until he appears in court tomorrow.

It may help to take a look at Wikipedia and the technical definition of Burglary Burglary in English law - Wikipedia as our new lawyer member stated earlier, trespass forms an essential element.

The new charges may have come from crimes that were not reported at the time (victims coming forward after PR's charges were made public) or crimes that have been harder to match him to. If they have relied on forensics they take time to process in the real world, nobody has a 'match the criminal to the trace evidence machine' like they do on CSI etc.
 
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