UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #20

[Newthoughts]

15:40
Relowicz says they had sex next to car then left Libby at Oak Road

Relowicz says Libby stayed by the car and was still there when he returned.

He said: “I asked her whether everything was okay and she said yes and asked me to hug her. We were hugging each other and started kissing each other.

“She was the one who brought forward her hands towards me, she wanted me to hug her. I grabbed hold of her bottom and she tried to undo the button on my trousers. She was trying to undo my zip and didn’t manage to.”

Relowicz says he was “excited” and then “she laid down, there was grass near to the car and we had sex.”

He added: “We had sex and then she started making the same sounds as if she wanted to vomit, that’s why I stopped. I pulled my trousers up, lifted her up and asked if everything was okay with her. She replied ‘yes’ and started to apologise to me.

“We stood in front of the car and then she wanted to kiss me. I didn’t want to because she had saliva.

“I turned away and she scratched me to my face. I just got into my car. I started the engine and just drove away. She was stood behind the cars and was shouting not to leave her and screaming.”

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

Yuk I feel sick

 

[Newthoughts]

15:51
'Emotionally broken' for cheating on his wife
Relowicz says his wife did not know about him having sex with Libby but asked why he had gone out.

He says he told her he had been “running.”

He says he washed his clothes as his trousers were wet and had green marks and he wanted to “hide” this from his wife.

Relowicz said: “I was emotionally broken down that I had cheated on my wife.”

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

Vile lying creature

 

[Officer Dibble]

Funny how he was the only one who understood anything she was saying, though.

Especially as when he first stood in the dock he said his English was basic. JMO.

 

[Skigh]

Especially as when he first stood in the dock he said his English was basic. JMO.

He managed to cover himself by saying his understanding was good,but spoken English was poor.

 

[Dotta]

I thought the same

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Bet he could not believe his luck that night. He got exactly what he had been prowling around for.

The old saying "Be careful what you wish for" has never been truer

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Thanks JamJim, just catching up.

So.... Vomiting is apparently an acceptable prelude to sex and he changes his story yet again to account for scratches on his face. Now he leaves Libby there (conveniently "screaming").

How anyone can believe a word he says is beyond me. He discredits himself!

 

[Newthoughts]

I was thinking more along the lines of a stimulant like cocaine or amphetamines, but it is just a thought on my part, nothing more.

Of course, Viagra could be a possibility too. Ironically, it is actually used to treat pulmonary hypertension, which can be caused by methamphetamine abuse.

He attended a gym so I did wonder if he'd been on steroids or testosterone?

 

[Vera_dci]

it sounds like the youngest child was very young as she was up doing night feeds when he supposedly returned home. It's a shame we haven't heard from her as she saw him directly after he'd attacked libby .

He seemed to be able to break in properties quite easily. I wonder if he excused his nightly activities as burglaries to her saying they were short of money. She can't have been happy that she had two young children at home whilst he appeared to come and go as he pleased.

 

[HollyHunter9]

You did not dream this. You are correct. We are now hearing new versions of PR’s lies.

Is this now a 5th version of what he has said happened that night?

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Was this version 6 then? He just picked a few bits of witness testimony, weaved a new story around them and thought it was a good idea to throw it all out there? JMO

 

[Newthoughts]

Was this version 6 then? He just picked a few bits of witness testimony, weaved a new story around them and thought it was a good idea to throw it all out there? JMO

Oh yep. Can smell the b@##@#$# from here

 

[Officer Dibble]

No mention of the bench in his story at all yet either.... so I’m curious to where it fits in and why forensics were all over it

yes i'm waiting for this too.

 

[Ruthbullock]

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The defence lawyer is not the villain here and it feels wrong to me when people talk about another human like that who is doing their jobs. It can’t be an easy job they do and it certainly doesn’t pay as well as many other avenues of law. Many innocent people have needed a defence lawyer and are grateful for them doing that role and I’m sure that is gratifying, I doubt the lawyer is relishing this job at all, but they do not usually get to pick and choose their cases. Yes we can all be irritated that defence lawyers exist, but do we need to personally be so overtly rude and demeaning about him. Without defence lawyers we would have no justice system at all.

 

[Skigh]

Was this version 6 then? He just picked a few bits of witness testimony, weaved a new story around them and thought it was a good idea to throw it all out there? JMO

I wonder if he sat in his cell at the weekend fabricating this new version. I wonder if it has changed from the version he last discussed with his barrister.

 

[Officer Dibble]

16:29
Trial concludes for the day
The trial has finished for the day and will resume at the later time of 2pm tomorrow where Relowicz will continue in the witness box.

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

Thanks Jamjim

 

[Officer Dibble]

@wilkela claims that she is now with another butcher with whom she has a child - in less than two years. Doesn't sound to me like a wonderful marriage.

SBM: What?!

 

[PitchforkRed]

I hate this referring to people by surname only. It seems to be an American habit but it's spreading over here. Apart from sounding slightly disrespectful, it can be very confusing when several people with the same surname are involved. I've seen this in places like Wikipedia articles, and the lack of forenames makes it difficult to follow.

It's hard to tell, but I got the impression it was the journalist rather than the QC referring to Libby as 'Squire'. If so, it could possibly be due to the press style book that her publication chooses to follow. I can see why it would seem cold, but it's quite common in that the full name is used in the first instance, followed by just the surname thereafter.

 

[Vera_dci]

The defence lawyer is not the villain here and it feels wrong to me when people talk about another human like that who is doing their jobs. It can’t be an easy job they do and it certainly doesn’t pay as well as many other avenues of law. Many innocent people have needed a defence lawyer and are grateful for them doing that role and I’m sure that is gratifying, I doubt the lawyer is relishing this job at all, but they do not usually get to pick and choose their cases. Yes we can all be irritated that defence lawyers exist, but do we need to personally be so overtly rude and demeaning about him. Without defence lawyers we would have no justice system at all.

Yes I agree. Mr Saxby even described him as disgusting. I think the defence have let PR guide them and not the other way round. At the end of the day they have to remove what they personally think about PR and do their job. Tbh I think they've let him dig a hole for himself whilst still obeying their legal obligation.

 

[Offaly]

So is the idea of claiming Libby said 'don't leave me' to get the jury to think 'Ah. Yes, She does have a habit of saying that to people', so they'll be more likely to believe PR really must have left her? Wow. His defence team are so sneaky.

Yes and the asking for a hug too which she said to the man who stopped to help her. So obvious, using what the helpers said she said to them to pretend she said them to him too. So most of what she said to PR was the same as she had said to other witnesses, yeah right. And the screaming too, which she was apparently doing on Beverley road, she also screamed with him at the park - all so convenient. What a dangerous liar.

 

[Tortoise]

Recap from article dated 18th Jan 2021 -

This was the version the prosecution were expecting -

"We expect him to now claim," Mr Wright said. "That he was trying to give her a lift home when she removed her knickers in the car and threw them at him. He will say he thought that she was directing him to her mother’s address and that is what led to him being parked up on the Oak Road playing fields.

"Libby, he will claim, got out of his car and she fell over and was crying. He will say he went to help her and she then instigated consensual sexual intercourse with him. He got into his car and drove away and as he did so he saw her pick up her knickers and walk off in an upset state."

Libby Squire trial - the five versions of what happened that night