UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #22

[Newthoughts]

Her Mum lived over 200 miles away.
LS was obviously vulnerable, but to believe her Mum was in the park?
I find that hard to believe.

The original question from @sundaaaay

"I'm very curious to understand how he got her into the park initially without her screaming at that point though."

Is a valid question.

There was no screaming at that point so 'acute stress' or 'fight or flight' wasn't apparent until minutes later.

JMO

I think the expert said the hypothermia would make her very confused and less able to see danger coming so is it possible he just bamboozled and badgered her to confuse her more? Reacted quickly where she was reacting slowly?

Plus you're right her mum was 200 miles away. I wondered if what she meant was she just wanted to get back to her room to phone or text her mum. Her phone was charging in her room.

It is so heart rending. I cannot begin to imagine how scared she must have been and what her poor mum is going thru now

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Brilliant work finding out which house has the CCTV on, and it seems to point to the pedestrian gate entrance. But I still for the life of me can't figure out how they can tell how many people there were - it's so blurry and I'm so confused!

As for the Mauri footage, that just shows car headlights, right?

 

[Hellofresh]

Sorry yes that would have been helpful! Hope this helps. I have increased the brightness too which only increases my suspicion. My heart dropped into my stomach when I saw it. Please tell me if anyone else can see this?

 

[Newthoughts]

Sorry yes that would have been helpful! Hope this helps. I have increased the brightness too which only increases my suspicion. My heart dropped into my stomach when I saw it. Please tell me if anyone else can see this?

Yes horribly I do. Like somebody holding somebody slumped slightly. As if they've caught or grabbed them

 

[elysian2]

Excellent job finding the yeast factory/house footage. I can kinda make out a single figure in the screenshot joolz1975 shared. Unfortunately I can't see anything in either the actual moving footage or in hellofresh's screenshots (welcome!). I asked my husband, who helpfully tells me he can see four (!!) people in the moving footage though [edited to add: I would assume the police have enhanced this to within an inch of its life, and found nothing they could use].

The problem I have with this is that it does seem that the yeast factory has a very clear view of the entire stretch of the riverbank where it's most likely Libby entered the water (ie close to/easily accessible from that main path). I know the camera moves, so it's always possible that sheer bad luck missed a crucial 30 seconds, but I would have expected *something* to show up on that camera, and to be easier to see too. There must have been a splash; if alive, Libby would have been moving/struggling in the water; even if the camera failed to pick up the actual moment of entry, I think it would have picked up Libby in the water a few seconds later? Of course she DID end up in the water, but this footage makes me think perhaps not here. Which means either elsewhere in the park (which creates further issues with timing) or elsewhere altogether, which seems highly unlikely.

 

[Vermont24]

Brilliant work finding out which house has the CCTV on, and it seems to point to the pedestrian gate entrance. But I still for the life of me can't figure out how they can tell how many people there were - it's so blurry and I'm so confused!

As for the Croda footage, that just shows car headlights, right?

Mauri footage

 

[DiploRed]

Sorry yes that would have been helpful! Hope this helps. I have increased the brightness too which only increases my suspicion. My heart dropped into my stomach when I saw it. Please tell me if anyone else can see this?

you can also see his car headlights on the right because that’s when he’s leaving

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Mauri footage

Sorry, yes, I meant that, have edited...

 

[Vermont24]

Perhaps I'm experiencing a bit of confirmation bias, but I just can't see it. I only see distant headlights.

 

[Joolz1975]

It is so hard with CCTV footage as people see different things (spidercam was proof of that). In hindsight I was seeing things .

I trust the police will gave gone over that footage with a fine tooth comb and if they had proof of him with LS near the river they would have said in court (and as far as we know they have not).

 

[Hellofresh]

It is so hard with CCTV footage as people see different things (spidercam was proof of that). In hindsight I was seeing things .

I trust the police will gave gone over that footage with a fine tooth comb and if they had proof of him with LS near the river they would have said in court (and as far as we know they have not).

Yep totally agree. I think I'm over analysing here. I think PR is such a dangerous individual I'm convinced of his guilt and it is that confirmation bias.
Hope I have not caused alarm of spoken out of turn.

 

[Jarvis1969]

I hate to do this after the great spider cam debate of 2019. But is this a person? Or are my eyes ready for testing? And if it is they are pretty near the river.

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Well spotted, I think it is

 

[tedtink]

Sorry yes that would have been helpful! Hope this helps. I have increased the brightness too which only increases my suspicion. My heart dropped into my stomach when I saw it. Please tell me if anyone else can see this?

I see a taller person, standing particularly upright, holding another person around the waist who is doubled over.
Horrific.

 

[Newthoughts]

Yep totally agree. I think I'm over analysing here. I think PR is such a dangerous individual I'm convinced of his guilt and it is that confirmation bias.
Hope I have not caused alarm of spoken out of turn.

I think it's because I know he was there and what happened that perhaps I think I see it but only when circled.

The other picture of a figure near the river I see more clearly and I see PRs build and stance but again that could be picking out what's expected from nothing.

I'm hoping the jury got enhanced, enlarged footage and guidance

 

[Newthoughts]

I see a taller person, standing particularly upright, holding another person around the waist who is doubled over.
Horrific.

That's what I thought I saw as well.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It is so hard with CCTV footage as people see different things (spidercam was proof of that). In hindsight I was seeing things .

I trust the police will gave gone over that footage with a fine tooth comb and if they had proof of him with LS near the river they would have said in court (and as far as we know they have not).

Good old pareidolia!

You're right... pretty sure the prosecution would have shown evidence of them being in the park, if they had it. Considering PR has vehemently denied setting foot in there, it would have been a huge piece of evidence against him.

 

[elliefant]

I spent a long time trying to decipher what I could see in one spot, but then I realised it was a partial fingerprint on my screen.

 

[Scorpiette]

I see a taller person, standing particularly upright, holding another person around the waist who is doubled over.
Horrific.

I can't quite see what you are seeing, but IF this is PR and Libby, where is this, how far from the river, and his car, and at what time please?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I spent a long time trying to decipher what I could see in one spot, but then I realised it was a partial fingerprint on my screen.

And I've just given my glasses a good clean but I'm still not deciphering very much!

 

[Hellofresh]

I feel I can see the taller person on top wearing dark trousers. The person with a smaller build underneath has lighter coloured (?bare skin) legs. As we know Libby had.