Chambo1994
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I do agree with this. As much as I can 'see' something...I think you’ve got to ask yourself this question if you think your seeing seeing something...
How are you managing to spot something that a specialist who’s job it is to analyse every single frame of the CCTV and spent many years doing so, didn’t manage to see? And then it’s subsequently been released by the press.
If that CCTV footage showed anything of significance it wouldn’t have been released as it would not be a fair trial.
Sometimes the mind shows you what you want it to let you see.
I love how conflicting the witness statements are at least when it comes to the timing but the one thing none of them heard is the screaming coming from Oak Road as described by PR.
@Joolz1975[/USER] Is he on a bike? His arms seem to be in a funny position as if he is hunched over. I also see a light coloured hat ....... now where have I seen that before?!
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It’s been two years almost since this thread was opened.
The jury know far more than we do despite all of our speculating.
Next week we will get a verdict.
I think he’ll get guilty for rape.
As to murder; If he’s guilty i hope he’s found guilty.
If he is innocent, I hope he’s found innocent.
I feel I would like to say something more general. I am not particularly a follower of real crime and I very much doubt I will ever appear on this forum again. I happened across the news of Libby's disappearance at the time (and that of the equally sad case of Leah Croucher) and it just struck something in my heart. I have followed it closely here ever since but only now chosen to make any comment on it. I feel deeply uncomfortable about doing so. This poor girl has lost her life and the lives of her family, friends, and very likely also the good samaritans who sought to intervene have been irretrievably ruined. When discussing the merits or otherwise of eachothers opinions let us never forget that it is Libby and they that are all that matters.
I rather think the Croda CCTV is a red herring. I stand to be corrected by those with local knowledge but having studied Google maps and streetview I can see the camera is by the entrance to the Croda site/industrial complex where it meets the footpath section of Oak Road. The people we saw on it look to have been exiting that site and turning to their right onto that footpath (which shortly becomes the carriageway of Oak Road where PW parked). I would suggest they were simply workers employed on the site going home. Indeed the complex is save for possibly one foot entrance much further into the site fully fenced off from the park.
If there is CCTV on Berresford doubtless they will be seen later on on that.
So, the man Sam Alford saw. If it wasn't PW he must surely have turned right when he left the park. If he'd turned left, unless he'd scrambled through the back gardens of the Claremont houses or the allotments (which is rather far fetched, and if he did surely would mean he must live there) the Croda CCTV would have caught him walking along a minute or two later.
So, if this man is not PW he likely didn't have a car as CCTV on Berresford and maybe also Claremont would have picked it up unless he turned off into a side road before he got into view. So one would conclude he is a local.
If anyone knows where the Berresford CCTV footage is shot from that would be helpful.
So, what are the chances of a. there's a local resident who likes to frequent the park on a freezing night, b. Libby decides instead of continuing to walk down Berresford past all the houses, either to go for a walk in the park, having cleverly found the one gate allowing her access, c. this random man chooses to abduct her and throw her in the river, or d. the random man finds her in Oak Road, abducts her there, takes her through the gate etc?
As to the 7.5 minutes timescale issue. Whilst I take on board the views of those here living locally who say it can't be done, I am yet to be persuaded. I would have thought the route would have been straight up the path and then straight through the (what looks to me at winter time fairly sparse brush) to the water. I stand to be corrected but I don't see it necessary to follow the path as it turns right towards the pond. So one is looking at 350m to the water and 350m back. Certainly the time for rape, decision making and covering the distance is very tight, and I can accept it being said to be unlikely, but I don't see how mathematically it is impossible.
One thing to remember, we have probably heard less than 5% of the evidence!
Notably Mr Alford saw the man at 3 points so he will have stated where they were and whether he was running or walking, and the timings for covering the distance will be calculated off that. We can't do that!
I feel I would like to say something more general. I am not particularly a follower of real crime and I very much doubt I will ever appear on this forum again. I happened across the news of Libby's disappearance at the time (and that of the equally sad case of Leah Croucher) and it just struck something in my heart. I have followed it closely here ever since but only now chosen to make any comment on it. I feel deeply uncomfortable about doing so. This poor girl has lost her life and the lives of her family, friends, and very likely also the good samaritans who sought to intervene have been irretrievably ruined. When discussing the merits or otherwise of eachothers opinions let us never forget that it is Libby and they that are all that matters.
Omg!I hate to do this after the great spider cam debate of 2019. But is this a person? Or are my eyes ready for testing? And if it is they are pretty near the river.
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Libby Squire trial CCTV
Re the Mauri cams, which buildings do you reckon they're positioned on? CAM 2 I supposed to be on or above the Mauri reception building (Gate 1 on Stockholm Rd) given the tiles, but if so, what are the adjacent square shapes? I couldn't see a match on Google streetview or satellite for them - the reception just looks like a freestanding box. And I find it hard to figure out the scale eg is that a parked car, or a bit of rubbish?
And are we thinking that sweeping CAM3 shows the biggest of the Mauri tanks, the one with the grey lid opposite the derelict boat houses (entrance Gate 4 on Narvick Road)?
Apologies in advance for repetition. I searched backwards for Mauri in the threads and couldn't find detailed discussion of the likely position of the cameras upon specific buildings, but apologies if I've missed it. Any help getting my bearings appreciated!