Moo ....alot of children do not like having their hair shampooed. My son we got it shaved every summer...just for easyness. Honestly he really did not care... whether his hair cut was in fashion was not really important to him at that age.......moo
GUILTY UK - Logan Mwangi, 5, found dead in Wales River, Bridgend, 31 July 2021 *arrests, inc. minor* #5
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We also have to remember a lot of people were performing home haircuts because of lockdown… one length all over was the cut for many, because it was easy.
Im not saying it wasn’t done for other reasons, but at that time there were many children and adults rocking a number 2 all over.
Im not saying it wasn’t done for other reasons, but at that time there were many children and adults rocking a number 2 all over.
The reason we first started discussing Logan's hair was because it was mentioned during AW's cross examination. She did not reply that it was because of the cost of a regular trim or it was easier in lockdown or that it was easier as he became stressed having his hair washed or even as she previously said ,nits.
Logan Mwangi murder trial latest as mum admits 'selfish' lies
11:32PHILIP DEWEY
Legal directions
The trial resumes.
Mrs Justice Jefford tells the jury they have been provided with legal directions and the route to verdict which she will read out.
11:43PHILIP DEWEY
Jury told 'you must be careful'
The judge said: “The case involving the death of a child will understandably provoke strong emotions, you will have seen that during the course of this trial.
“When you come to consider the evidence and verdicts of the evidence. You must be careful to put aside any prejudice and judge the case on the evidence and not on emotional responses or reactions.
“You may not have liked some of the things you have heard about the way Logan was disciplined and if you think that is relevant you should take that into account but you should not let your dislike to influence your verdicts.”
11:32PHILIP DEWEY
Legal directions
The trial resumes.
Mrs Justice Jefford tells the jury they have been provided with legal directions and the route to verdict which she will read out.
11:43PHILIP DEWEY
Jury told 'you must be careful'
The judge said: “The case involving the death of a child will understandably provoke strong emotions, you will have seen that during the course of this trial.
“When you come to consider the evidence and verdicts of the evidence. You must be careful to put aside any prejudice and judge the case on the evidence and not on emotional responses or reactions.
“You may not have liked some of the things you have heard about the way Logan was disciplined and if you think that is relevant you should take that into account but you should not let your dislike to influence your verdicts.”
11:53PHILIP DEWEY
Burden of proof
Mrs Justice Jefford refers to the burden of proof and says it’s for the prosecution to prove the case against the defendants. The defendant’s don’t have to prove anything.
She reminds the jury John Cole has pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice.
Logan Mwangi murder trial latest as mum admits 'selfish' lies
Burden of proof
Mrs Justice Jefford refers to the burden of proof and says it’s for the prosecution to prove the case against the defendants. The defendant’s don’t have to prove anything.
She reminds the jury John Cole has pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice.
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She will have said anything that suited her at the time. Didn't she say that it was because he wanted to look like JC?
Maybe that's true. Maybe it isn't.
12:17PHILIP DEWEY
The murder charge
The judge turns to the charge of murder.
She said: “All three defendants are charged with murder of Logan Mwangi.
“Someone commits murder if they; 1) By a deliberate and unlawful act 2) Cause the death of another 3) Do so intending to kill or cause really serious bodily harm.
“There is no issue Logan’s death was caused by a deliberate and unlawful act, the fatal injuries he suffered could not have been caused any other way.”
“Dr Williams, the pathologist, told you the cause of death was blunt force abdominal injury and cerebral head injury. We heard there was blood in the abdominal cavity, tears in parts of the liver, a tear to the bowel and a degloving injury to the duodenum, and Logan’s brain was significantly swollen.
“Dr Lammie identified bleeding on the brain consistent with a head injury. He told us there were axonal injuries, something usually seen in car accidents and seen when the moving brain comes to an abrupt halt.”
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The murder charge
The judge turns to the charge of murder.
She said: “All three defendants are charged with murder of Logan Mwangi.
“Someone commits murder if they; 1) By a deliberate and unlawful act 2) Cause the death of another 3) Do so intending to kill or cause really serious bodily harm.
“There is no issue Logan’s death was caused by a deliberate and unlawful act, the fatal injuries he suffered could not have been caused any other way.”
“Dr Williams, the pathologist, told you the cause of death was blunt force abdominal injury and cerebral head injury. We heard there was blood in the abdominal cavity, tears in parts of the liver, a tear to the bowel and a degloving injury to the duodenum, and Logan’s brain was significantly swollen.
“Dr Lammie identified bleeding on the brain consistent with a head injury. He told us there were axonal injuries, something usually seen in car accidents and seen when the moving brain comes to an abrupt halt.”
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12:30PHILIP DEWEY
The issues in the case
Mrs Justice Jefford continues.
She said: “What is at issue is who caused these injuries. Someone can be guilty of the offence even if he or she did not inflict the fatal injuries. A person can be found guilty of the offence of murder if; 1) He or she deliberately assisted or encouraged others to cause death or really serious injury 2) He or she did so intending death or really serious injury would be caused. In law that is called joint enterprise.
“A defendant simply being present in the house would not be enough to be sure the defendant encouraged or assisted the attack on Logan or simply knowing about it would not be enough.
“The issue is 1) Who killed Logan? 2) Did others assist or encourage that person and with what intention?
“The prosecution say they acted together and it doesn’t matter who caused Logan’s injuries because you can be sure one of the three did and the others encouraged or assisted in that and intended Logan to be caused death or really serious harm.
“John Cole’s case is he doesn’t know how Logan sustained those injuries but saw Williamson grabbing Logan by his pyjamas.
“Angharad Williamson’s case is John Cole punched Logan in the stomach three to four times and Cold told (the youth) if Logan flinched or stutter again (the youth) should sweep Logan. (The youth) did that and punched Logan’s head to the floor. She denied this caused any serious injury and said Cole and (the youth) must have caused the injuries which killed Logan after that when she was asleep and knew nothing about it.”
“(The youth)’s case is he did not know how Logan sustained his injuries.
“You must ask yourself whether you’re sure that a defendant inflicted the fatal injuries and did so intending to cause death or really serious harm. If you’re sure of that you must find that defendant guilty of murder.
“Even if the defendant did not inflict the injuries or if you’re not sure if they did you must ask yourself if the defendant assisted or encouraged the defendant who did cause the injuries and did so with intent to kill Logan or cause him really serious injury. You must be sure of both of those things before you convict.
“If you’re sure of both of those things you must find them guilty of murder, if you’re not sure you find that defendant not guilty of murder.”
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12:30PHILIP DEWEY
The issues in the case
Mrs Justice Jefford continues.
She said: “What is at issue is who caused these injuries. Someone can be guilty of the offence even if he or she did not inflict the fatal injuries. A person can be found guilty of the offence of murder if; 1) He or she deliberately assisted or encouraged others to cause death or really serious injury 2) He or she did so intending death or really serious injury would be caused. In law that is called joint enterprise.
“A defendant simply being present in the house would not be enough to be sure the defendant encouraged or assisted the attack on Logan or simply knowing about it would not be enough.
“The issue is 1) Who killed Logan? 2) Did others assist or encourage that person and with what intention?
“The prosecution say they acted together and it doesn’t matter who caused Logan’s injuries because you can be sure one of the three did and the others encouraged or assisted in that and intended Logan to be caused death or really serious harm.
“John Cole’s case is he doesn’t know how Logan sustained those injuries but saw Williamson grabbing Logan by his pyjamas.
“Angharad Williamson’s case is John Cole punched Logan in the stomach three to four times and Cold told (the youth) if Logan flinched or stutter again (the youth) should sweep Logan. (The youth) did that and punched Logan’s head to the floor. She denied this caused any serious injury and said Cole and (the youth) must have caused the injuries which killed Logan after that when she was asleep and knew nothing about it.”
“(The youth)’s case is he did not know how Logan sustained his injuries.
“You must ask yourself whether you’re sure that a defendant inflicted the fatal injuries and did so intending to cause death or really serious harm. If you’re sure of that you must find that defendant guilty of murder.
“Even if the defendant did not inflict the injuries or if you’re not sure if they did you must ask yourself if the defendant assisted or encouraged the defendant who did cause the injuries and did so with intent to kill Logan or cause him really serious injury. You must be sure of both of those things before you convict.
“If you’re sure of both of those things you must find them guilty of murder, if you’re not sure you find that defendant not guilty of murder.”
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nothinonyou
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ok so joint enterprise can be applied here. but knowing about serious injury isn't enough, you have to encourage it...
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Whether guilty or not, I can't help thinking that the youth has shown the most common sense out of the three of them by just saying he doesn't know what happened and leaving it at that. The other two opened themselves up to much more scrutiny by taking the stand and coming out in a worse light for it.
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I think him saying he didn’t know anything and thought it was bin bags they were taking to the river was probably the worst thing he could have said. I think from the CCTV it’s clear he did know what they was doing, and he told the police he had discussed with JC disposing of rubbish yet JC said he didn’t even know the youth was with him.
Just proving his story to be false.
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Isn't encouraging doing nothing to prevent the violence?
12:45PHILIP DEWEY
Manslaughter charge
The judge turns to the charge of manslaughter.
She said: “You may conclude one or more of the defendants inflicted or encouraged the injuries on Logan but intended he would be caused only some harm, less than serious harm, even though that was the outcome, you will have found that defendant not guilty of murder.
“You must go on to consider whether the defendant assisted or encouraged the defendant who did cause the injuries to Logan to cause some harm. If you are sure of both things, you must find him or her guilty of manslaughter. If you are not sure you must find them not guilty.”
Logan Mwangi murder trial live updates as judge gives legal directions
Manslaughter charge
The judge turns to the charge of manslaughter.
She said: “You may conclude one or more of the defendants inflicted or encouraged the injuries on Logan but intended he would be caused only some harm, less than serious harm, even though that was the outcome, you will have found that defendant not guilty of murder.
“You must go on to consider whether the defendant assisted or encouraged the defendant who did cause the injuries to Logan to cause some harm. If you are sure of both things, you must find him or her guilty of manslaughter. If you are not sure you must find them not guilty.”
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nothinonyou
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you would think so, but I don't know if that applies in law. I would think encouraging is like JC telling the youth to "sweep him"
“All three defendants are charged with murder of Logan Mwangi.
“Someone commits murder if they; 1) By a deliberate and unlawful act 2) Cause the death of another 3) Do so intending to kill or cause really serious bodily harm."
Surely the punches and sweeping would be considered intending to cause serious harm?
I don't envy the jury, it must be really difficult as the 3 of them all given differing stories and denied even seriously harming him. ~Justice for Logan
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