GUILTY UK - Louise Smith, 16, Havant, Hampshire, 8 May 2020 *Arrest*

[Sooty]

He is too much of a coward to face up to what he is, and what he has done. I am quite shocked that he is actually giving evidence at all - he must think that he is a convincing enough liar.
Do you think there will be any other witnesses ?

 

[HollyHunter9]

Louise's aunt Chazlynn, the wife of defendant Shane Mays, told police during the call that the teenager was not with any adults that would carry a risk of harm to her when asked by police

She had traced where Louise was meant to be,

Mrs Mays tells police:

I have been told she was at Emsworth recreation,


I have snipped the above from the court reports.
Unless this is just the reporter condensing the information, I wonder why -

Cj does not mention the fact that Louise had departed the house with SM

Cj does not mention the fact it was SM who told her that he had taken Louise to Emsworth

I have been told - very detached wording - deliberately omitting her husband from the details.

I've just gone back through the earlier msgs in the thread and found this prev one Alyce, as I remember early on the police officers who attended when L was first reported missing said in their testimony that CJ never mentioned louise leaving with SM.

Then today SM says he told CJ the same story as he told his mum and sister that he walked CJ to skate park...but that wasn't mentioned to police either until around 5 days after she was missing.

A lot is not adding up and it's nothing to do with "memory problems". The story has changed several times and parts of the story he allegedly told CJ were not shared with police straight away by either of them.

 

[Legally Bland]

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Shane Mays’ time in the dock has come to an end - now the defence is calling upon other witnesses, who provided statements to the police after Louise went missing.

 

[Alyce]

I've just gone back through the earlier msgs in the thread and found this prev one Alyce, as I remember early on the police officers who attended when L was first reported missing said in their testimony that CJ never mentioned louise leaving with SM.

Then today SM says he told CJ the same story as he told his mum and sister that he walked CJ to skate park...but that wasn't mentioned to police either until around 5 days after she was missing.

A lot is not adding up and it's nothing to do with "memory problems". The story has changed several times and parts of the story he allegedly told CJ were not shared with police straight away by either of them.

Great find Holly.

So Cj did tell the police that Louise had gone to Emsworth on May 8 - she just ommitted to tell them that the information came from SM.

Not for the first time, I do think there is someone missing from the dock in this case.

 

[Legally Bland]

6 minutes ago
Today’s proceedings have ended
The trial will resume tomorrow morning.

 

[HollyHunter9]

Great find Holly.

So Cj did tell the police that Louise had gone to Emsworth on May 8 - she just ommitted to tell them that the information came from SM.

Not for the first time, I do think there is someone missing from the dock in this case.

Thanks Alyce, yes i think so (but the story has changed that many times it's hard to keep up!). I think she did tell them but it wasn't until about 5 days later and I dont think she told tell them L left with SM either. She really needs to be up on that stand to shed some light on these discrepancies. IMO.

 

[Alyce]

thanks once again Harchmare and Legally for all the updates - much appreciated

 

[Alyce]

Interesting - did they foster children ?


After being shown a Snapchat video of him tickling Louise’s feet, he said he had not been flirting with her and said it was a “playful” act that he would do with “all the kids that came to stay”



Louise Smith murder trial: accused admits punching her in face

 

[Bogyo13]

Thanks for the updates @Harchmare and @Legally Bland!

He definitely made it worse for himself today MOO

 

[Alyce]

He also denied violating her body after she died, 'because he was worried he may have made her pregnant.'


Louise Smith's uncle denies luring 16-year-old into woods to have sex before killing her | Daily Mail Online

 

[Bogyo13]

Great find Holly.

So Cj did tell the police that Louise had gone to Emsworth on May 8 - she just ommitted to tell them that the information came from SM.

Not for the first time, I do think there is someone missing from the dock in this case.

Why didn't the boyfriend tell police? SM says he told CJ and B about skate park?

 

[Skigh]

Interesting - did they foster children ?


After being shown a Snapchat video of him tickling Louise’s feet, he said he had not been flirting with her and said it was a “playful” act that he would do with “all the kids that came to stay”



Louise Smith murder trial: accused admits punching her in face

I do not think they would be considered suitable for official fostering so perhaps it was neighbours or relatives children.

 

[Alyce]

Why didn't the boyfriend tell police? SM says he told CJ and B about skate park?

Says he wasn't asked


However, Mr Newton-Price tells the court that Mays only told police about walking towards Emsworth once arrested.
He adds: Why did you not mention Emsworth skate park?
Mays replies: "I wasn't asked. My wife answered all the questions."

 

[Bogyo13]

Says he wasn't asked


However, Mr Newton-Price tells the court that Mays only told police about walking towards Emsworth once arrested.
He adds: Why did you not mention Emsworth skate park?
Mays replies: "I wasn't asked. My wife answered all the questions."

I meant LS's boyfriend Bradley

Edit :incorrect name

 

[Alyce]

I meant LS's boyfriend Brandon

Oops, sorry Bogyo, misread your post. Yes indeed, why didn't BK say something ? Or had he left the house by the time the police turned up and they didn't speak to him until days later ?

 

[Bogyo13]

13:33JAMIE PHILLIPS
Defendant accused of having a lie 'up and running'
Mr Newton-Price QC accuses Mays of having a "lie up and running" with regards to his story about having walked to Emsworth skate park, the opposite direction from where she was found in Havant Thicket.

You told your mother that you took her to the skate park and now you have told the same lie to CJ and Bradley. You have got a lie up and running.

You remember going on a walk, but you do not remember when, what happened or what you did. So why did you say that you had taken her to Emsworth? Were you sending people off in the wrong direction because you wanted to go back and burn her body?

Mays denies this and again insists he thought he had walked with Louise to Emsworth skate park after having no memory of the incident in Havant Thicket.

Louise Smith murder trial updates as accused continues to give evidence

So he told CJ and Bradley when he got home about it if I understand correctly

 

[Alyce]

Yep, told his mum and sister, then Cj and Bradley

 

[polerina]

Oops, sorry Bogyo, misread your post. Yes indeed, why didn't BK say something ? Or had he left the house by the time the police turned up and they didn't speak to him until days later ?

I think he'd left when the police turned up, I think he was there while they placed the 111 call but left before they arrived, I don't remember them mentioning him being there.

 

[Bogyo13]

He also denied violating her body after she died, 'because he was worried he may have made her pregnant.'


Louise Smith's uncle denies luring 16-year-old into woods to have sex before killing her | Daily Mail Online

'The court heard Mays 'felt his anger rising' and said Louise never attempted to fight back or scream.'

My heart aches for her.

 

[Bogyo13]

I think he'd left when the police turned up, I think he was there while they placed the 111 call but left before they arrived, I don't remember them mentioning him being there.

IIRC but will need to check unless someone has it handy, he went to his mum then back home where B was waiting for L as planned. MOO