GUILTY UK - Mikaeel Kular, 3, Edinburgh, Scotland, 15 Jan 2014 - #3

[PS8800]

I don't know how one would accidentally cause a blow hard enough to cause peritonitis and then not realize the severity. That little boy had to have been in agony.

IF it was in fact a blow. Peritonitis can be the result of a stomach ulcer and/or Crohns Disease.

IMO the boy was unwell and she didn't seek medical assistance for whatever tragic reason.

 

[PS8800]

Hello ... I think the step father just registered the death, not signed the death certificate.

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2009/06/24094516/5

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http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/mika...-kular-missing-toddler-died-internal-bleeding

According to this it was the step grandfather?

 

[mrazda71]

I meant Rosie's step father not Mikaeels.

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[zwiebel]

There is an interesting write up on Wikinews, about background legal issues around the case. It will help give non English/ Scottish posters an insight into why total silence falls after a person is charged there.

The Scottish Justice Secretary has said he has been 'keeping a very careful eye' on Rosdeep's case, because apparently in Scotland (but not in England) no photos of an arrested person are supposed to be published, in case it taints eyewitness evidence. In other words, I think it means anyone who saw her, for example, travelling near the crime scene but then saw Rosdeep's photo in the media before identifying her to police, would be 'tainted'.

A law professor, James Chalmers, at Glasgow Uni has confirmed to Wiki that in anyone who published a photo of Rosdeep after she was arrested but before she appeared in court to face charges, was legally in contempt of Scottish law.

I think this is one of those instances were the law has totally failed to keep up with the development of social media; the way google images/FB etc work, mean that any potential witnesses/jurors are likely to be exposed to a picture of any arrested person just by searching their name on the internet - even before they realize they may be a witness.

It seems an idea has even been mooted that no photo of a charged person should be published until after a verdict, but I don't see how that would ever work today.

Anyhow, the Scottish Justice Secretary doesn't seem to believe any harm has been done to the prosecution's case in this instance.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Scottis...ely_aware_of_unusual_publicity'_in_Kular_case

 

[zwiebel]

I was browsing through court rolls for next week, and found that those accused of the murder of the mum's friend are in court next week

http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/highcourtrolls/hcfi_rolls_week_2.htm?sfvrsn=702

Most of the news reports state 6 men were charged in January, but there appears to be a 7th man also, and i think i remember there having been some sort of raid the weekend after this wee lad disappeared?

I truly believe both cases are linked...

The trial over the gunning down of Mohamed Abdi is underway.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27119230

'Hidden machine gun'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27131978

'Court told of crack and very loud scream'.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27194175

'Tape of gunfire played'

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/tape-of-gunfire-is-played-at-murder-trial.24058283

..'also accused of assault, of being concerned in the supply of cocaine and firearms charges.'

http://news.stv.tv/east-central/272726-mohamed-abdi-murder-trial-hears-evidence-from-witnesses/

 

[Alyce]

I wonder if she was afraid to seek medical attention for him because she was known to social services, and was afraid the other kids would be taken off her? I know her mother was a doctor, but maybe she didn't know how seriously ill he was? Poor little boy

Yes, I could see that being the case, particularly if she was the cause of his suffering.....

However, whether the peritonitis was a natural cause ( sorry I know natural is not a good word but I mean something that just happened due to diet or whatever ) or whether it was caused by a blow to the stomach, either way that poor little boy would have been in agony and I dont think RK would have been left in any doubt that he was suffering badly and needed medical attention.

The fact that all he got was to be dumped, like garbage, in the woods, is the act of a despicable person. MOO of course.

 

[Crazy Mama]

Maybe she locked him in a bedroom for some quiet time. If he was in agony, she would not have heard him, especially if she was out at the nursery, or partying.

 

[zwiebel]

A vigil was held in Edinburgh yesterday to mark Mikaeel's 4th birthday. There was also discussion of a permanent memorial to be erected in Muirhouse, but that has to be discussed in consultation with family.

Mikaeel's twin sister had a low-key birthday celebration at her aunt's home where she now lives, along with her siblings.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/mikaeel-kular-vigil-held-edinburgh-3511207

 

[mrazda71]

I take it that no one has heard anything further? No court dates etc ... must be soon?

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[mrazda71]

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2006/11/22132102/6

 

[skibaboo]

IF it was in fact a blow. Peritonitis can be the result of a stomach ulcer and/or Crohns Disease.

IMO the boy was unwell and she didn't seek medical assistance for whatever tragic reason.

BBM. Yes is can. But I would like to add, as someone who has had Crohns for 30 years, very severe at times, multiple surgeries including the removal of my colon, I have never had peritonitis. To get to that stage the crohns would have to be severe, Mikaeel was very young, but crohns is still possible. But if that was the case, he would have been very sick, and in a lot of pain before it got to a stage of peritonitis, and there is no reason why his mother couldn't have gotten medical help for him.

 

[Alyce]

Still cant see any updates in the news re this court case. By my calculations, it should have been brought to trial by today, June 20.

 

[josie1986]

Was thinking about this earlier and came across this (sorry if it's big I'm on tapatalk)

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[mrazda71]

Yes! I was thinking the same, because once they've done the 2 court things she's already done, by Scottish law, the trial should be held no more than 140 days unless an extension is applied for and granted...

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[MummaP]

Checking the court rolls for this week, and the mother's court case is due to start on Tuesday 8th July, at Edinburgh high court.

If there is a seperate link for this, could someone let me know? Many thanks!

 

[josie1986]

Thanks for the info mummap.

I am really curious what will come out in this trial


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[Alyce]

Thanks MummaP for that update, I will have a look round and see if there is any more news now that you have given us the start date

 

[Alyce]

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/uk-chil...-died-from-internal-bleeding-and-peritonitis/


have found this article, hope it copies over ok and apologies for all the stuff round the edges !

 

[josie1986]

So it's not trial tomorrow just a preliminary hearing?


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[mrazda71]

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/fife/mikaeel-kular-s-mum-due-in-court-1.451151

Preliminary hearing A hearing in the High Court of Justiciary in solemn proceedings to decide if the case is ready to go for trial. Also preliminary legal or factual issues may be determined before trial at a preliminary hearing.