Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #12

[Mr X]

It’s something I’ve also thought about. A canoe, Canadian canoe or similar, would not be obvious. I’ve used them for fishing in the past, they can be very quiet and you can remain quite hidden alongside the bank. It’s obviously a stretch but a perfectly feasible vehicle to move around in, particularly as it can traverse deep and shallow water and narrow waterways without noise or disturbance.

I spend a very large amount of my spare time going around in a small electric canoe on the Thames.

It is worth bearing in mind the stability of this type of boat. If you want someone to get into it with you they have to be very careful and make sure not to upset the boat. Its easy to turn one of these over.

Nice item for boating but I definitely would not want to be getting a kidnapped person onto it.

 

[Beginnersleuth]

IMO if it were an abduction it’s been pretty slick and Nicola maybe in the river at another point likely downstream. I doubt Nicola’s still in the area as they had sniffer dogs already.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I spend a very large amount of my spare time going around in a small electric canoe on the Thames.

It is worth bearing in mind the stability of this type of boat. If you want someone to get into it with you they have to be very careful and make sure not to upset the boat. Its easy to turn one of these over.

Nice item for boating but I definitely would not want to be getting a kidnapped person onto it.

And how would one go about this endeavour without being seen or heard?

 

[SteelyGlint]

I spend a very large amount of my spare time going around in a small electric canoe on the Thames.

It is worth bearing in mind the stability of this type of boat. If you want someone to get into it with you they have to be very careful and make sure not to upset the boat. Its easy to turn one of these over.

Nice item for boating but I definitely would not want to be getting a kidnapped person onto it.

I agree, with two people it might be easier but not easy. Canadian canoes are a little more stable though, I’ve used one for years.

 

[Deleted member 320164]

I just came on to put the same as you. Communication could have been better. They could have been clearer with clothing and witness timings, they should also have more clearly stated that PA was not a suspect if he was seen on the cctv at home. Much of the speculation would have been avoided with clearer communication IMO.

If you think that the various ex police who have criticised the handling of this case in the media, including in the Times as the weekend, were only criticising the communication then you haven’t been paying attention. That of itself is unprecedented. I’ve never seen anything like it.

 

[Mr X]

I agree, with two people it might be easier but not easy.

Some of the inflatable types are better than rigid hulls because they have more buoyancy at the sides.

You could do it if it was necessary but quite a lot of agro and with that weir you would have trouble going far.

 

[Allabouttrial]

IMO if it were an abduction it’s been pretty slick and Nicola maybe in the river at another point likely downstream. I doubt Nicola’s still in the area as they had sniffer dogs already.

There you go. I'm still waiting to be persuaded about abduction, because although it's been mentioned a lot I've yet to see any plausible theory on how this was carried out.

Endless reasons on why she can't be in the river, but nothing as to the how, why and where with regard to abduction.

 

[GTB72]

I think in general it's very difficult for men to understand how vunerable women feel in every day situations as it's simply an alien concept to them

In general, probably. But I was badly attacked when I was 20 and almost died. So I am very wary even in every day situations.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Some of the inflatable types are better than rigid hulls because they have more buoyancy at the sides.

You could do it if it was necessary but quite a lot of agro and with that weir you would have trouble going far.

Way too much risk involved in that scenario for me.

 

[Enigmacode]

I just try to put myself in a "doggy soul". I used to have a dog, not a Spaniel, but a Staffy. If my dog had witnessed me falling into a river, I know he wouldn't have followed me inside with such a steep river bank. But he would have stared at the water and barked like crazy at the water. He would have given a clear indication by his body language and the direction that he was facing that I am in the river. There is of course a possibility that Willow didn't see her falling if she was off sniffing somewhere else.

Think so too, Willow would lead anyone who came along directly to her if she had fallen in the river. Willow is a well trained springer spaniel, a gundog, they are known for their retrieval skills, it's in their breed nature. She would howl and bark like crazy at the point where NB should have fallen into the river.
But IMO NB didn't go in the river, if she had, she would have almost certainly been found by the diving experts by now.
She has either been abducted or she left her own life of her own free will.
My bet is she's been abducted, it's a tight time window, but there's at least a 20 minute window of opportunity for it to have occurred.

 

[cottonweaver]

I dont know how police budgets work there may have been cost considerations

I don't know how his charging works but he needs to make a living so presumably doesn't do it for nothing for the police

JMO

He has the contract for 5 PD forces in the South for search & rescue ( marine etc) because almost all of those forces lost their specialist units during the ' austerity' funding cut years.

He also does quite a lot of private work clearing protestors. eg Do you remember 'Swampy' and the HS2 protests? PF's 'security' team removed them eg from tunnels etc. PF's background was caving Swampy (environmentalist) - Wikipedia

What's Swampy doing now, stuff like this in Yorkshire! Who remembers Swampy? He's currently in a tree in a Settle car park!



Ditto, Surrey fracking case - some of the local protestors dug themselves into tunnels and PF's team tasked to remove them.

Protest camp set up at Leith Hill exploratory oil drilling site

An application to put up security fencing, an office and more at the exploratory site received "no objection" from Surrey County Council

www.getsurrey.co.uk

Protester Removal press links - Specialist Group International

Protester Removal press links Specialist Group international. A world-renowned provider of 24/7 specialist rescue response capability to fire & rescue services in confined space, swift water/flood & technical rescue from height. High profile murder and missing person cases by police...

www.specialistgroupinternational.com

Victory for anti-fracking protesters who occupied drilling rig

ANTI-FRACKING protesters celebrated outside York Magistrates' Court after being cleared of all offences over their occupation of a drilling rig.

www.yorkpress.co.uk

 

[Maclane]

Wasn't the dog found running between the bench and the gate?

Think so too, Willow would lead anyone who came along directly to her if she had fallen in the river. Willow is a well trained springer spaniel, a gundog, they are known for their retrieval skills, it's in their breed nature. She would howl and bark like crazy at the point where NB should have fallen into the river.
But IMO NB didn't go in the river, if she had, she would have almost certainly been found by the diving experts by now.
She has either been abducted or she left her own life of her own free will.
My bet is she's been abducted, it's a tight time window, but there's at least a 20 minute window of opportunity for it to have occurred.

20 mins is plenty of time to snatch someone away. Only takes a couple of mins. Surely you just wait til the coast is clear and then strike.

 

[Mr X]

He has the contract for 5 PD forces in the South for search & rescue ( marine etc) because almost all of those forces lost their specialist units during the ' austerity' funding cut years.

He also does quite a lot of private work clearing protestors. eg Do you remember 'Swampy' and the HS2 protests? PF's 'security' team removed those from the trees.

Ditto, Surrey fracking case - some of the local protestors dug themselves into tunnels and PF's team tasked to remove them.

Protest camp set up at Leith Hill exploratory oil drilling site

An application to put up security fencing, an office and more at the exploratory site received "no objection" from Surrey County Council

www.getsurrey.co.uk

Any bodies found in waterways?

 

[slowpoke]

I'm not certain which is why I said "sure, I read somewhere" and didn't provide a link, as it would take too long.

I've heard mention the dog was bone dry though not the harness. Do you have a source to say it was bone dry?

Maybe you were remembering these posts. It was supposition, not a known fact, according to the poster (the state of the harness (wet vs dry)).
UK - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

 

[concerneduk]

Think so too, Willow would lead anyone who came along directly to her if she had fallen in the river. Willow is a well trained springer spaniel, a gundog, they are known for their retrieval skills, it's in their breed nature. She would howl and bark like crazy at the point where NB should have fallen into the river.
But IMO NB didn't go in the river, if she had, she would have almost certainly been found by the diving experts by now.
She has either been abducted or she left her own life of her own free will.
My bet is she's been abducted, it's a tight time window, but there's at least a 20 minute window of opportunity for it to have occurred.

The time window is not 20min if you live at rowanwater, potentially you have a hr or more before people would come to notice.

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

I agree, with two people it might be easier but not easy. Canadian canoes are a little more stable though, I’ve used one for years.

A lot of abductions are trickery, aren't they, rather than being forced into a vehicle? "Come and see this in my car", "I have an emergency, I need help", "can you give me directions?" "I'll give you a lift home", etc etc.

I can't think what type of scenario would cause NB to leave her dog but it's possible she went with her dog through the kissing gate (not covered by CCTV) and trickery type "abduction" happened on the main road and her phone and dog were returned to the bench by the perp(s). If they had been watching her, they might know to do that.

AFAIK it's possible to walk along the river bank from the road so they wouldn't even have to use the path.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Maybe you were remembering these posts. It was supposition, not a known fact, according to the poster (the state of the harness (wet vs dry)).
UK - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

Ahhh quite possibly. Thank you!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Did the Police in the case ever confirm whether the dog harness was dry or wet?

I'm sure it was wet and that is the whole story but I have not been able to find a link to confirm it was dry. Maybe it is a minor detail but it looms large for me.

AFAIK, it has never been mentioned that the harness was wet but whether dog was wet has been subject to huge debate and discussion (the dog was dry, bone dry even). The harness was on the floor midway between the bench and the river, as per press released diagrams. I personally assume it was not wet or that would involve it having been in the water and then come back out again which would be quite some feat bearing in mind the dog was dry but maybe. The ground would be damp as per British winter, cold frosty day. This case is so crazy I'll believe anything can be revealed :/

 

[suzyjackson]

His company has "international" in the title and looks like he's got lots of publicity.

Public relations = free advertising. The term used to count the worth of news articles, interviews, impact is "Advertising Value Equivalent (AVE)". PF's AVE will be significant after the past couple of weeks. Probably on the "money can't buy" level. It's no wonder he's doing it for free. The worth of the coverage would be more than he would be paid, IMO. (I am also assuming he really wants to find NB for her family too)

Yes but the question was why didn't the police engage him, you are answering a different question that addresses whether he decided to do it for the free publicity when contacted by the family about a case that by that time was very big news

 

[PeggyHenry]

I completely agree with you, I feel the same. I don’t get the same feeling with unaccompanied male runners, but always feel uneasy if I meet one walking and always get my phone out ready. I then look behind to make sure they’ve kept walking. The best ones are the ones who say good morning and keep walking past. The worst ones are those who pause or stop or try and talk to you too much.

Same.. I’m always looking back to make sure they’ve kept walking!
It would be absolutely fantastic to not have that anxiety.
I wish I could carry something that would prevent a man from attacking .. as opposed to carrying something like a spray or alarm. It needs inventing now!!
Ironically the only safe thing is to carry a man