That is the difficulty of these investigations the small details which we may never know will provide all the clues to actually what happened. It is a good call about the headphones something i have not considered. IMOThank you. That does then make me think there was someone else involved unless the headphones were recovered and it hasn’t been reported. In my opinion they would have been removed by her leaving them attached to the phone on the bench if she had to quickly rescue the dog.
My thoughts exactly re the phone. IMO you would instinctively grab it and put it in your pocket, as an instinctive reflex move. I've definitely been in scenarios where something unexpected has alerted my attention while I was in my phone, but my first course of action is always to put my phone in my pocket/bag. One thing I wondered this morning was did NB potentially put her phone down on the bench while listening to said meeting call? Then again, I'm not massively convinced was sat on the bench with her phone. I'm tending towards a previous poster's theory that someone came up behind her while she was walking and/or definitely the above poster's theory that NB may have dropped her phone out of shock if someone caught her unaware and prompted her to suddenly turn around. Hence why I'm keen to know what state/condition the phone was found in.Hi everyone. I haven’t seen this mentioned but do we know if the phone found was her work phone? Many companies provide work mobiles now for accessing teams calls etc. especially with more people working from home. I just wonder if she had another phone with her that morning. If I had gone to help my dog near the water I would definitely have grabbed my phone quickly before doing so.
The police don’t have to though.This story is now becoming a major news item and police need to clarify the circumstances with a detailed press conference outlining exactly what they know about in order to end the media inaccuracies which is becoming a distraction. There have been some great questions on this thread which if answered would paint a very different picture of her last known movements.
Yep. Quite often police will say that they don't believe it was suspicious when they know it was.The police don’t have to though.
We (public) aren’t entitled to know everything. There are reasons the police don’t tell us all the details. For example in case something has to be corroborated down the line. If they’d released that ‘fact’ then it becomes common knowledge and they can’t use it to sort of ‘test’ a suspect. It’s hard to explain!
But I get it’s extremely frustrating when media seems to sometimes not quote the correct thing. That’s why it’s best maybe to only focus on what the Lancs police have told us.
Exactly. I why I'm thinking she might not be in the water. MooHow do you know NB hasn’t also came to harm? 6 days in looking for Libby she was also a missing person moo
In a case like this, a story gets a life of its own and the media understandably want to report everything as quickly as possible. Sometimes the truth gets lost amid the speculation. After a few says the story gets skewed and confuses the investigation.The police don’t have to though.
We (public) aren’t entitled to know everything. There are reasons the police don’t tell us all the details. For example in case something has to be corroborated down the line. If they’d released that ‘fact’ then it becomes common knowledge and they can’t use it to sort of ‘test’ a suspect. It’s hard to explain!
But I get it’s extremely frustrating when media seems to sometimes not quote the correct thing. That’s why it’s best maybe to only focus on what the Lancs police have told us.
I've thought of this scenario too, where she fell into the river because of someone else possibly but like... why would that happen? It would be much more likely for somebody to try to take her (usually rape/assault or/and murder that follows), but I can't think in what instance that would happen where somebody would randomly attack her/push her in. Especially since her phone and dog were left there.The stretch of slope below the bench looks to be relatively gradual initially, then to drop away more steeply immediately before the water, with a drop of around 1-2 metres. If the water is as shallow as it appears, I wonder if she may have gone in head first and hit her head on the bottom, knocking herself out. If conscious it does seem likely she'd have been able to get out relatively easily, even considering the cold water, unless she was badly injured.
One thing that puzzles me is how the police can distinguish between an accident in which she ended up in the water, and an attack in which she ended up in the water. I get that an abduction is fairly unlikely because of the difficulty in getting her away from that location without being seen, but an assault in which she fell in the water during the struggle surely wouldn't look all that different to an accident. At any rate, for her to leave her phone behind means that whatever happened must have been quite sudden and unexpected.
Agreed. The absence of signs of a struggle or a slip doesn't mean there wasn't one. Similarly the well-intentioned reassuring comments of the Fleetwood Sgt aren't helpful. There is nothing here yet to eliminate the possibility of third party involvement.The stretch of slope below the bench looks to be relatively gradual initially, then to drop away more steeply immediately before the water, with a drop of around 1-2 metres. If the water is as shallow as it appears, I wonder if she may have gone in head first and hit her head on the bottom, knocking herself out. If conscious it does seem likely she'd have been able to get out relatively easily, even considering the cold water, unless she was badly injured.
One thing that puzzles me is how the police can distinguish between an accident in which she ended up in the water, and an attack in which she ended up in the water. I get that an abduction is fairly unlikely because of the difficulty in getting her away from that location without being seen, but an assault in which she fell in the water during the struggle surely wouldn't look all that different to an accident. At any rate, for her to leave her phone behind means that whatever happened must have been quite sudden and unexpected.
Which part of the bank is sloping in the photo? I don't see anything to hold onto, do you?
Is 'no current or flow' fact or a guess?
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I’m thinking the previous nights meeting in Harding may have significance.<modsnip - not victim friendly> It is a coincidence this happened the very evening before she went missing.In a case like this, a story gets a life of its own and the media understandably want to report everything as quickly as possible. Sometimes the truth gets lost amid the speculation. After a few says the story gets skewed and confuses the investigation.
There may be facts the police hold back but given the nature of the appeal for information, it seems they are keen to get a direction from the public for the inquiry to go in.