Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[steelo]

Have the police revealed what was recovered from Skippool Creek Car Park? Was the recovery of item(s) linked to NBs disappearance?

 

[cottonweaver]

No reference in your post - so wasn’t clear what you were referring to. “Experienced experts” apart from bordering on tautology could mean anything.

The link I gave you is from a former Sussex Police operations office from the specialist search unit . also has done a PhD on body recovery . She's an expert with practical experience.

I thought I'd spare the website and not re-paste the transcript more than ten times in an hour.
This is the link for all the other partner organisations involved in the search:

UK - Nicola Bulley, St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 27, 2023 *MEDIA, MAPS, & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION*

www.websleuths.com

 

[kittythehare]

If the river bank was indeed muddy and slippery, where are the skid marks of her entering?

It's not necessary to skid to enter water at that point.
A straight fall such as that often witnessed in heart attack or brain haemorrhage victims will not produce a skid.

 

[crazychris]

I think it’s possible her body will turn up on the flats near Shard bridge or the estuary itself but not for a while.

You could be right. Wonder if it's in the river not far from where she went in but covered in mud/silt now. That could be why they've missed it. Am sure the best sonar doesn't penetrate mud.

 

[Night Shift]

There are in terms on the discussions going on here. We simply do not have any further information at present to progress.

The police have openly said they are keeping an open mind and are pursuing other leads in various press conferences. The most likely scenario isn’t always what has happened though. I agree it could be seen as the most likely and it may well be what has happened but I think people need to keep an open mind like the police have suggested.

But there are no circles on here - people are expressing opinions and theories.

The police have said - to paraphrase - that they are keeping an open mind and are open to consider new evidence but, at this time, they believe that Nicola fell into the water and have allocated their search resources to that end.

 

[Dowls90]

It's not necessary to skid to enter water at that point.
A straight fall such as that often witnessed in heart attack or brain haemorrhage victims will not produce a skid.

I know, this was a response to a different post.

 

[Deleted member 320164]

The weir is an open one in that location, meaning anything floating will go over it.

Add to the clothing the lead weight effect of her boots filling with water.

If someone goes into that water and doesn't get out within about 2 minutes, they will die. The water temp there is abt 38F on a good day in winter.

Sorry but this isn’t true, at that temperature you’ve got 30-90 mins, after 15-20 mins you’d start to lose coordination..

The weir is not that far from where she’s supposed to have fallen in, so she wouldn’t be floating she’d be dragging along the bottom.

 

[Seattle1]

I've tried to keep an open mind, but I'm yet to be convinced she didn't go in the river.

Many give reasons why they believe she couldn't have gone in - no evidence among many others. Yet I've seen nothing credible to convince me there was foul play.

What's the motive? Where's the opportunity? How did someone abduct her so quietly in such a short time span? How did the perp. know the CCTV was broken to the only entry and exit point?

All her friends/family have made no mention of a stalker. Nothing to suggest her partner's involvement.

What are we left with - a rando abductor/killer, who just happened upon Nicola that day and got very lucky?

It happens, but not as often as people think, especially somewhere like Lancashire.

The missing mother did exactly what she's done 1000 times before. I think it was a tragic accident, and so shattered for her children.

 

[kittythehare]

Good example. And yet the police seem to think she could have covered around 11 + miles in 2 weeks.

I think it’s possible her body will turn up on the flats near Shard bridge or the estuary itself but not for a while.

It's not just the police. They have access to massive resources and experts. And they are using them.

 

[cottonweaver]

But there are no circles on here - people are expressing opinions and theories.

The police have said - to paraphrase - that they are keeping an open mind and are open to consider new evidence but, at this time, they believe that Nicola fell into the water and have allocated their search resources to that end.

LE really need that Garstang road exit dash cam enquiry to come to some conclusion asap ( unless there's anything else of value in the 500 pile they had 2 days ago)

the 500 active active pieces of information and lines of enquiry..... link:

UK - Nicola Bulley, St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 27, 2023 *MEDIA, MAPS, & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION*

www.websleuths.com

 

[wackyw]

You did however describe it as such, suggesting she may have slipped in to evidence your point.

The hard facts are, until NB is found or some sort of evidence comes to light we will continue going round and round in circles here. There’s no evidence to suggest she went in and there’s none to suggest she didn’t.

That doesn't mean the scenarios are equally likely.

 

[JaneDawn]

or D. The expert is wrong.

The only creature that knows what really happened to NB, and is 'accesible' is the dog, and obviously a third party if foul play was involved, but he/she'd would obviously make themselves inaccessible. So my question is how or what be done to make the dog "reveal" what really happened? I know this sounds bonkers; but dogs are pack animals, and they do see their owners, or anyone they are close to as part of the pack. I say this because I have a dog and whenever me or my partner separate to go to say a shop etc, he becomes restless, tries to "sniff trace" where either of us have gone. So what if the scene was to be re-enacted - dog is on the river bank, and a member of NB's family who is very close to the dog feigns falling into the river. Watching how the dog reacts may provide some clues into what really happened, and by that I mean if the dog tries to get in or stands barking by the river, this could perhaps mean NB didn't fall into the river, as the dog was found elsewhere - not by the river bank. These are just my thoughts....

 

[porkypies]

If foul play is involved and Nicola was removed from the scene.. she is either concealed or has been taken away by a vehicle. If it was someone known to her I can see a scenario occurring such as’ Hi Nicola thought I’d catch you here. I’ve brought the paperwork … Can you just come to my car and check it.’ She takes Willow and goes to the car. Car owner returns with items and discards them and Willow at the bench.

Ok … sounds unlikely unless there was a signature she or they required for a mortgage.

I’m just trying to think of a scenario which fits the known facts.

In this scenario, how far did that perpetrator have to walk from their car to 'catch' NB?
At what stage of the walk did they find her, and at what time?
The perp would have chanced being seen by anyone who was in the area then, on 4 occasions, once alone to find NB, once with her walking to the car, once walking back with her dog to the bench and then once walking alone back to the car - taking quite a chance for a quick kidnapping.

 

[pineapple23]

Have the police revealed what was recovered from Skippool Creek Car Park? Was the recovery of item(s) linked to NBs disappearance?

No link Search for missing mother Nicola Bulley: Police seal off car park

 

[JaneDawn]

or D. The expert is wrong.

The only creature that knows what really happened to NB, and is 'accesible' is the dog, and obviously a third party if foul play was involved, but he/she'd would obviously make themselves inaccessible. So my question is how or what can be done to make the dog "reveal" what really happened? I know this sounds bonkers; but dogs are pack animals, and they do see their owners, or anyone they are close to as part of the pack. I say this because I have a dog and whenever me or my partner separate to go to say a shop etc, he becomes restless, tries to "sniff trace" where either of us have gone. So what if the scene was to be re-enacted - dog is on the river bank, and a member of NB's family who is very close to the dog feigns falling into the river. Watching how the dog reacts may provide some clues into what really happened, and by that I mean if the dog tries to get in or stands barking by the river, this could perhaps mean NB didn't fall into the river, as the dog was found elsewhere - not by the river bank. These are just my thoughts....

 

[JaneDawn]

I did wonder if a situation took place when NB may have been sitting on the bench that would have required her to enter the water. A disturbance on the opposite river bank perhaps. There was the possibility she may get wet so stood up leaving her phone on the bench. Walked towards the water turning to throw the harness and lead in the general direction of the bench from a position down the slope. Her aim was off and they landed on the grass. She then turned to look to enter the water.

I then think she would of taken her longest coat off to stop it getting wet and of course her car keys would have been in the pocket. This theory then doesn’t stack up.

Why is there no scent detectable by Willow or the search dogs? I do then wonder about the last witness who “recognised” her in the top field. I then think about the person who found the phone and Willow and her subsequent actions. Would this be a person setting an explainable decoy?
I guess until LP divulge more information on their findings we can do nothing but speculate. I would however like to see dashboard footage placing her entering the fields in the first instance.
Other ponderings, why wasn’t she wearing a woolly hat as shown in lots of her photos?
Also, what was the topic of the work teams call? Is there a chance it could of been announcing redundancies or other negative news?

or D. The expert is wrong.

The only creature that knows what really happened to NB, and is 'accesible' is the dog, and obviously a third party if foul play was involved, but he/she'd would obviously make themselves inaccessible. So my question is how or what can be done to make the dog "reveal" what really happened? I know this sounds bonkers; but dogs are pack animals, and they do see their owners, or anyone they are close to as part of the pack. I say this because I have a dog and whenever me or my partner separate to go to say a shop etc, he becomes restless, tries to "sniff trace" where either of us have gone. So what if the scene was to be re-enacted - dog is on the river bank, and a member of NB's family who is very close to the dog feigns falling into the river. Watching how the dog reacts may provide some clues into what really happened, and by that I mean if the dog tries to get in or stands barking by the river, this could perhaps mean NB didn't fall into the river, as the dog was found elsewhere - not by the river bank. These are just my thoughts....

 

[Allabouttrial]

The missing mother did exactly what she's done 1000 times before. I think it was a tragic accident, and so shattered for her children.

Excellent point! No deviation from her usual routine.

 

[Night Shift]

Sorry but this isn’t true, at that temperature you’ve got 30-90 mins, after 15-20 mins you’d start to lose coordination..

The weir is not that far from where she’s supposed to have fallen in, so she wouldn’t be floating she’d be dragging along the bottom.

Yes, you're correct. My RN training qualifies me to agree with you

I actually meant to say, and was trying to say, badly, that the combination of the water temp + depth of water + heavy clothing with water filled wellies would result in drowning in all probablity within 2 minutes, actually probably much quicker. I was trrying to speak to cumalitive effect. Sorrry for any misunderstanding.

 

[Quietey]

Yes, you're correct. My RN training qualifies me to agree with you

I actually meant to say, and was trying to say, badly, that the combination of the water temp + depth of water + heavy clothing with water filled wellies would result in drowning in all probablity within 2 minutes, actually probably much quicker. Sorrry for any misunderstanding.

Either way a person does not have long to get out / is in a precarious situation

 

[Dowls90]

That doesn't mean the scenarios are equally likely.

It doesn’t but that’s irrelevant to the point I was making.