UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24

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1m ago12:20

Letby went 'out drinking' with colleagues after suspension, court hears​

Nick Johnson, the prosecution barrister, is now looking at Letby's social life around the time of her suspension from the unit.
He says: "You told the jury you just changed as a person, your mental health deteriorated and you - and these are your words - 'felt very isolated from my friends and family on the unit'."
More of Letby's statement is read out: 'We were a very supportive unit, regardless or not of whether we were friends, we were a very supportive nursing unit.'
Letby was told she could only have contact with a limited number of people from the unit.
"Did you abide by the direction?" Mr Johnson asks.
After a pause, Letby replies: "Yes."
"So you didn't have contact with anyone but the people you were told you could have contact with?"
"At that very beginning part yes but it did change as time went on," Letby says.
The prosecution says Letby was "given a document this morning".
"What's in the document?" Mr Johnson says.
After a pause, she replies: "My social life."
The prosecution says this "disproves" what Letby has previously said about her contact with the unit.
"I disagree," she says.
Letby is asked if she was "looking for sympathy" when she told the jury she had been cut off and isolated from her friends.
"Yes, it was a very difficult time," she says.
"You thought you'd get sympathy by telling a lie," says Mr Johnson.
"No."
"Was it just a mistake?"
"Yes."
The document, the prosecution says, contains examples of Letby "out drinking" and "going on days out" with members of the neonatal unit.
One day she went to London with the male colleague she has previously denied was her boyfriend.

Now12:21

Letby denies affair with 'married' colleague after being suspended​

The court is now being shown photographs of Letby, taken from her social media and phone.
In one message, the male colleague she denied was her boyfriend exchanged a series of heart emojis via WhatsApp and travelled together to London at least once.
Letby says they had to cancel the second trip.
"[Colleague] was a married man, it's not a relationship at all it's a friendship," she says.
The prosecution says this document is "peppered" with lots of examples of Letby out socialising with people from the unit.
"You had a very active social life, didn't you?" Mr Johnson asks.
"Yes."
"You have deliberately misled this jury about your background," Mr Johnson says.
"No."
He says Letby also "misled [the jury] about your circumstances following your suspension".
"No."

 
1m ago12:23

Letby 'lied' to jury about being taken away in pyjamas​

Letby previously told the jury she was first arrested at 6am and taken away in her nightgown.
"How were you dressed when you left the house?"
"I think I had a nightie on and tracksuit bottoms and trainers," she says.
"You were taken away in a blue Lee Cooper Leisure suit."
"I don't remember, I had a nightie on," she says.
"Do you want me to show you a video of it?"
"No."
The prosecution says Letby wasn't taken away in her pyjamas at all. Letby agrees this was the case.
"Why did you lie to the jury about it?" Mr Johnson asks.
"I don't know."
Mr Johnson calls Letby a "very calculating woman" who "tells lies deliberately".
"No," she replies.
"The reason you tell lies is to try to get sympathy from people," says Mr Johnson.
"No."
He then adds: "Killing these children you got quite a lot of attention."
"I didn't kill these children," Letby replies.
"You are getting quite a lot of attention now, aren't you?"
Silence from Letby.

 
12:21pm

A 'social timeline' is shown to the court, detailing meetings with the doctor in Harford, Cheshire Oaks (twice) and London between May-June 2017.
LL: I'm near the park next to where you are, let me know where you are finishing up and I'll see you outside
Doctor: Ok will do See you soon ❤️[red heart emoji]
LL: ❤️ [smile and red heart emoji]
Letby denies the doctor was her boyfriend.
Letby agrees she had a "very very active social life".
Letby says a future date on the Facebook diary, for September 2017, was listed as a trip to London, but they had to cancel as the doctor had a medical appointment.
She denies again he was her boyfriend.
NJ: "You have deliberately misled the jury about this background."
LL: "No."
NJ: "You have also deliberately misled them about the circumstances of your arrest, haven't you?"
LL: "No."
Letby says the police knocked on her door at 6am when they arrested her. She says she thought she had a nightie and a tracksuit and trainers.
Mr Johnson says Letby was taken away in a blue Lee Cooper leisure suit. Letby says she is not sure. Mr Johnson says video footage can be played of her arrest. Letby agrees she was taken away in that leisure suit.
For the 2019 arrest, Letby agrees she was not taken away in her pyjamas.
NJ: "Why did you lie to the jury about this?"
LL: "I don't know."
Letby says it was the first arrest when she was taken in her pyjamas.
NJ: "Do you want to watch the video?" Letby does not respond.
NJ: "You are a very calculating woman, aren't you"
LL: "No."
NJ: "You tell lies deliberately."
NJ: "And the reason you tell lies is to get sympathy and attention from people."
Mr Johnson says Letby was killing children to get attention.
LL: "I didn't kill the children."
NJ: "You're getting quite a lot of attention now, aren't you?"

12:23pm

One of Letby's handwritten notes is shown to the court. It is the one which includes a draft sympathy message for Child O, Child P and another triplet.
Mr Johnson asks why a sympthy message has included the name of the surviving triplet as well as the names of Child O and Child P.
NJ: "Was that your objective, to kill all three?
LL: "No."
NJ: "Did that excite you?"
LL: "Absolutely not."

 
25 December 2015
Letby searched for the mother of Children E and F.
"I often thought of [her]," she tells the court.
"She was the person who caught you in the act," Mr Johnson says, adding that this would have been reason enough to remember her.
"No, [we] had a good relationship."


Ok, this^^^ is just creepy, IMO. It is Christmas Day, and Lucy searched FB for the mum of 2 babies, who were attacked , one of them died.

The baby that died, Baby E , was screaming out in pain, with blood around his mouth, when his poor mum walked in expecting to feed him.

Shocked and confused, she asks her nice nurse 'whats going on???' -----'Trust me, everything is fine, go back to your room...'

"But...he is bleeding.."

It's nothing, just the tube irritating his throat...Trust Me, I am a nurse...go back to your room now


Hours later her baby is dead. He died unexpectedly, suddenly and inexplicably. ...And yet on Christmas Day Lucy is looking her up, trying to see pictures of the remaining family....

And Lucy is telling the court 'we had a good relationship"

Lucy called her mom confused and said she was mistaken about the last day she saw her baby E. She was wrong about everything but Lucy remembered it correctly---even though Lucy's version conflicts with mom, her husband and the cell phone records.
 
I can imagine LL in need of drinking a lot of water out of the bottle next to her as it is certainly heating up in there with the firing out of all the questions.

Wonder if she will want a break like she did before when all got too heavy for her. ;)
 
12:27pm

The 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS' handwritten note by Letby is shown to the court.
Letby is asked about the notes.
NJ: "You had done nothing wrong?"
LL: "No."
NJ: "Why did you think you would not marry and have a family?"
LL: "Because I was in the position that I was in and didn't think it would end."
NJ: "You had a good job working in the patient safety department at the Countess of Chester."
LL: "It wasn't a choice for me."
NJ: "It was still a good job."
LL: "Good as enjoyable?"
NJ: "It was secure, with a secure employer."
LL: "Yes."
NJ: "Pays well?"
LL: "Not as much as nursing."
Letby said there were times when she had good times during the time she was under investigation. Mr Johnson says this includes drinking fizz and days at the races.
Mr Johnson concludes: "You are a murderer."
Letby: "I have not murdered or harmed any child."

12:28pm

Benjamin Myers KC rises to ask further questions of Letby.
He says Letby has given evidence for 14 court days over the past few weeks.

 
12:21pm

A 'social timeline' is shown to the court, detailing meetings with the doctor in Harford, Cheshire Oaks (twice) and London between May-June 2017.
LL: I'm near the park next to where you are, let me know where you are finishing up and I'll see you outside
Doctor: Ok will do See you soon ❤️[red heart emoji]
LL: ❤️ [smile and red heart emoji]
Letby denies the doctor was her boyfriend.
Letby agrees she had a "very very active social life".
Letby says a future date on the Facebook diary, for September 2017, was listed as a trip to London, but they had to cancel as the doctor had a medical appointment.
She denies again he was her boyfriend.
NJ: "You have deliberately misled the jury about this background."
LL: "No."
NJ: "You have also deliberately misled them about the circumstances of your arrest, haven't you?"
LL: "No."
Letby says the police knocked on her door at 6am when they arrested her. She says she thought she had a nightie and a tracksuit and trainers.
Mr Johnson says Letby was taken away in a blue Lee Cooper leisure suit. Letby says she is not sure. Mr Johnson says video footage can be played of her arrest. Letby agrees she was taken away in that leisure suit.
For the 2019 arrest, Letby agrees she was not taken away in her pyjamas.
NJ: "Why did you lie to the jury about this?"
LL: "I don't know."
Letby says it was the first arrest when she was taken in her pyjamas.
NJ: "Do you want to watch the video?" Letby does not respond.
NJ: "You are a very calculating woman, aren't you"
LL: "No."
NJ: "You tell lies deliberately."
NJ: "And the reason you tell lies is to get sympathy and attention from people."
Mr Johnson says Letby was killing children to get attention.
LL: "I didn't kill the children."
NJ: "You're getting quite a lot of attention now, aren't you?"

12:23pm

One of Letby's handwritten notes is shown to the court. It is the one which includes a draft sympathy message for Child O, Child P and another triplet.
Mr Johnson asks why a sympthy message has included the name of the surviving triplet as well as the names of Child O and Child P.
NJ: "Was that your objective, to kill all three?
LL: "No."
NJ: "Did that excite you?"
LL: "Absolutely not."

Bloody hell....I knew today would have some bombshells but my god
 
12:21pm

A 'social timeline' is shown to the court, detailing meetings with the doctor in Harford, Cheshire Oaks (twice) and London between May-June 2017.
LL: I'm near the park next to where you are, let me know where you are finishing up and I'll see you outside
Doctor: Ok will do See you soon ❤️[red heart emoji]
LL: ❤️ [smile and red heart emoji]
Letby denies the doctor was her boyfriend.
Letby agrees she had a "very very active social life".
Letby says a future date on the Facebook diary, for September 2017, was listed as a trip to London, but they had to cancel as the doctor had a medical appointment.
She denies again he was her boyfriend.
NJ: "You have deliberately misled the jury about this background."
LL: "No."
NJ: "You have also deliberately misled them about the circumstances of your arrest, haven't you?"
LL: "No."
Letby says the police knocked on her door at 6am when they arrested her. She says she thought she had a nightie and a tracksuit and trainers.
Mr Johnson says Letby was taken away in a blue Lee Cooper leisure suit. Letby says she is not sure. Mr Johnson says video footage can be played of her arrest. Letby agrees she was taken away in that leisure suit.
For the 2019 arrest, Letby agrees she was not taken away in her pyjamas.
NJ: "Why did you lie to the jury about this?"
LL: "I don't know."
Letby says it was the first arrest when she was taken in her pyjamas.
NJ: "Do you want to watch the video?" Letby does not respond.
NJ: "You are a very calculating woman, aren't you"
LL: "No."
NJ: "You tell lies deliberately."
NJ: "And the reason you tell lies is to get sympathy and attention from people."
Mr Johnson says Letby was killing children to get attention.
LL: "I didn't kill the children."
NJ: "You're getting quite a lot of attention now, aren't you?"

12:23pm

One of Letby's handwritten notes is shown to the court. It is the one which includes a draft sympathy message for Child O, Child P and another triplet.
Mr Johnson asks why a sympthy message has included the name of the surviving triplet as well as the names of Child O and Child P.

NJ: "Was that your objective, to kill all three?
LL: "No."
NJ: "Did that excite you?"
LL: "Absolutely not."

OMG!
 
5m ago12:26

'Today is your birthday and you aren't here. And I am so sorry for that'​


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The prosecution is now focussing on a note Letby wrote on a yellow post-it note addressed to the three triplet boys.

"I am writing how I was feeling at that time, and it was their birthday and I mentioned all three of them," Letby says.

The note reads: 'Today is your birthday and you aren't here. And I am so sorry for that.'

"Why were you including [the other triplet]?" Mr Johnson asks.

"I've written three names, I also wrote [colleague]."

The prosecution asks the question again.

"I can't answer that," Letby says.

"Is that because in your mind there was a terminal end in store for [other triplet] if he stayed with you?"

"No," she replies.

"Was that your objective to kill all three?" Mr Johnson asks.

"No."

Now12:31

Prosecution concludes: 'You are a murderer'​

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The court is being shown a green note Letby wrote, which includes the words: 'I AM EVIL. I DID THIS.'

"There is a lot going on in this note isn't there?" Mr Johnson asks.

"Yes."

Letby says she wrote this when she "didn't know how this was going to end".

On this note, Letby wrote: 'I will never know what it is like to have a family'.

"That is how I felt at that time, I could not see a future for myself," Letby replies.

Mr Johnson points out that during this time, images on social media show Letby "out on the razz".

"I did have good times in those years, yes," Letby says.

Mr Johnson then concludes his prosecution by saying: "You are a murderer."

"No, I am not," Letby says.

"You have murdered many children," he says.

Letby replies: "I have never murdered a child or harmed any of them."


 





Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue

Mr Johnson is now taking the court through various items that were taken from Ms Letby's phone, Facebook records following her removal from the unit - they show various interactions with members of staff on the unit

Mr Johnson says 'it is peppered with you socialising with lots of different people from that unit' She agrees. Mr Johnson says 'you had a very active social life didn't you', she says yes

There is interactions with a doctor, who cannot be named for legal reasons - the pair went on 'away day' to London together in June 2017. Mr Johnson asks if they stayed over, she says no - he asks if the doctor was her boyfriend

Mr Johnson pulls up messages after the trip were they've exchanged heart emojis - she says '(the doctor) is a married man, it was not a relationship at all it was a friendship'

Mr Johnson focuses his questions now on her arrest. He asks Ms Letby why she told the jury she was taken away in her pyjamas, he says she was in a blue tracksuit when she was taken away

Mr Johnson says 'you’re a very calculating woman aren’t you Lucy Letby, you tell lies deliberately don’t you' 'No', she responds 'The reason you tell lies is to try and get sympathy from people, attention from people' he says 'No', she responds

Mr Johnson is now taking Ms Letby over the various notes she found in her home and workplace. On one she wrote that she would never have a family - he asks why, she says because of her work situation


Mr Johnson says at that time 'you had a house, a car, a boyfriend' 'Yes', she says

Mr Johnson says she felt the way she did and was writing the notes she was because 'you knew you had killed and grievously injured these children...you have murdered these children' 'I have never murdered a child or harmed any of them', she says

Mr Johnson has finished his questioning. Ms Letby's defence lawyer Ben Myers KC is back on his feet, he is now going back over what was said in cross examination
 
Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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14m

Mr Johnson focuses his questions now on her arrest. He asks Ms Letby why she told the jury she was taken away in her pyjamas, he says she was in a blue tracksuit when she was taken away

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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13m

Mr Johnson says 'you’re a very calculating woman aren’t you Lucy Letby, you tell lies deliberately don’t you' 'No', she responds 'The reason you tell lies is to try and get sympathy from people, attention from people' he says 'No', she responds

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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8m

Mr Johnson is now taking Ms Letby over the various notes she found in her home and workplace. On one she wrote that she would never have a family - he asks why, she says because of her work situation

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
·
8m

Mr Johnson says at that time 'you had a house, a car, a boyfriend' 'Yes', she says

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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7m

Mr Johnson says she felt the way she did and was writing the notes she was because 'you knew you had killed and grievously injured these children...you have murdered these children' 'I have never murdered a child or harmed any of them', she says

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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6m

Mr Johnson has finished his questioning. Ms Letby's defence lawyer Ben Myers KC is back on his feet, he is now going back over what was said in cross examination
 
12:33pm

Mr Myers asks Letby about the increase in documents since giving her defence statement.
Letby agrees it was an increase in "thousands of pages" since then, and the increase has continued throughout the trial.
Letby agrees the increase in evidence served has come when she and the defence team have been in different parts of the country, with her being in custody.

 
12:38pm

Mr Myers asks questions in the case of Child E, in relation to Letby's defence statement.
In cross-examination, Letby was said not to have made a mention of Child E vomiting in her defence statement, but said it in evidence. Letby tells the court now Child E had vomited.
Mr Myers says Letby's nursing note from August 4, 2015, showed Letby recorded a 'large vomit'.
Letby says that was not included in the defence statement as she had not included every single detail from all the cases in that statement.
The nursing note also incudes a 'mucky' slightly bile-stained aspirate was recorded.

 
12:40pm

In Letby's defence statement, she said she had wanted to work in nursing since being a teenager.
Letby is asked about her motive in working at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit: "To provide the best care possible for them and their families."
Letby said she would have looked after "hundreds" of babies during her time at the Countess of Chester Hospital.
BM: "Were you trying to 'get attention' [by attacking babies] in the way it has been put?"
LL: "No."
Letby says the Facebook searches were for parents who were on her mind at the time.

12:42pm

BM: "Can you recall every baby you cared for?"
LL: "No."
BM: "Is there a reason some babies stand out more?"
Letby says there might have been something about some babies that would stand out in her mind, and some babies would be on the unit longer, and she would have got to know some families more than others.

12:43pm

Letby is asked about staffing levels at the unit.
Mr Myers: "Do you know, actually, how every member of staff was affected by staffing pressures?"
LL: "No I don't."
Letby adds she does not know if every member of staff was performing their tasks to the level required throughout.
BM: "Can you say at any given point, what the issue of staffing levels were?"
LL: "No."

 
Letby is asked about her motive in working at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit: "To provide the best care possible for them and their families."

That statement does not land well. Even if innocent, she somehow has not provided the best possible care for the babies and their families, because the courtroom is full of grieving parents and grandparents.
 
Wow!! NJ going hard today! I can practically hear the reality tv sound effects after each question :oops: so hang on, is this married doctor doc choc or is this a second doctor she was having it off with?
I think it is the same one. Did some research earlier but couldn't post it without MSM source. But there was reason to believe he was a married family man.
 
12:51pm

Letby adds from a nursing perspective she can comment on that care, but medical care [from a doctor] is a "different realm".
Letby says she can only put a nursing perspective on the issues.
Mr Myers asks about Child *E and Child L.
Letby had said, in evidence, insulin was given to Child E unlawfully, but it was not targeted. She said, from the blood results, Child L was poisoned with insulin, but was not targeted.
Letby says for Child L, she accepted the blood results which showed the insulin had come exogenously.
Letby says she does not know how the insulin levels of a blood sample are tested. She says she has never worked in a lab for the purposes of such testing.
Letby says she accepted the results on the basis of the evidence that is presented in the trial.


*my note, read F for E, CS always gets E and F muddled.
 
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