GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

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Observe_dont_Absorb said:
So it looks like she was wearing track suit bottoms and top as PJs at the time she first answered the door. Altho her claim to have been taken out in her nightie or whatever it was could relate to previous arrests.

She appears well spoken and definitely not someone who would harm a baby. It must be hard for the jury to see and hear her in front of them and then hear the charges and allegations.

I guess the footage is released now in order to gee up some interest in this case in advance of the verdict - whichever way it goes it'll be a major scandal and that's what sells papers (not sure people 'buy' papers tho LOL)
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When she answered the door she seemed exactly as I'd imagined her to be from the pics and descriptions we'd already seen!
 
Tortoise said:
What is your opinion based on?

Journalists have rights to access to court proceedings.

"Most courts or tribunals will have dedicated press seating and the media should be given priority to those seats during a case or hearing. The media are entitled by law to hear and be present at all open court proceedings (including those with reporting restrictions in place). They should not be forced to cover the hearing from the public gallery – individual reporters may be at risk of intimidation from friends or relatives to parties in the case. The media have an important and professional role in the justice system – court reporting is a vital aspect to open justice."

www.gov.uk

HMCTS media guidance (accessible version)

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My understanding of rule 25.14 for the crown court. Rule 25.14.3.h.ii states:

"postpone the taking of any such verdict while the jury considers each other verdict required"

To me this means the verdicts have to all be delivered together. I could be wrong though
 
It’s interesting what they’ve shared. Normally with arrest videos we see the actual arrest and the person’s reaction to it. We don’t have that here.

And the clip of the interview was around asking her if she’s noticed the spike in deaths.

It’s just very non-committal. Doesn’t look the footage that would be shared of a guilty person, but equally very unusual to share something if someone is not guilty.
 
grj373 said:
My understanding of rule 25.14 for the crown court. Rule 25.14.3.h.ii states:

"postpone the taking of any such verdict while the jury considers each other verdict required"

To me this means the verdicts have to all be delivered together. I could be wrong though
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That's not the same as saying the media wouldn't be allowed in. The judge can decide to accept partial verdicts.

8.6.5 Where there are several counts, more than one defendant and/or alternative verdicts the above procedure will need to be adapted. A judge has a discretion in deciding when to accept partial verdicts; it may be better to give the majority direction before accepting any verdicts. If so the jury should be asked “Have you reached verdicts upon which you are all agreed in respect of all defendants and/or all counts?”.


21-6 Taking partial verdicts
ARCHBOLD 4-516 and 522; BLACKSTONE’S D19.69, CrimPD 8.6.5

1. Where there are several counts (or alternative verdicts) left to the jury, the judge has a discretion in deciding when to take or ask the jury if it has reached any unanimous verdicts. The circumstances of the case may give rise to the view that it is more desirable to give the majority direction before taking any unanimous verdicts. If that is considered appropriate then, instead of being asked about each count in turn, the clerk should ask the jury: “Have you reached verdicts upon which you are all agreed in respect of all defendants and/or all counts?” If, on the other hand, it is considered to be appropriate to take the verdicts on some counts even if the jury may not have reached verdicts on all of them then the clerk can adjust the enquiry to allow for that: “Have you reached a verdict upon which you are all agreed on any count and/or in respect of any defendant?” If the jury answer in the affirmative then the clerk would proceed to ask the jury about each count/defendant in turn and any guilty verdicts can be recorded at that stage.

2. If there are a large number of counts and/or defendants, consideration could be given to inviting the jury to indicate the particular counts and/or defendants in respect of which they have reached a unanimous verdict. If that course is to be adopted, it is important that the jury are told in advance so that they understand what they are being asked to do. It would also be sensible to discuss such a course with the parties. In a case in which there are numerous counts the jury should be told that they may find it helpful to make a written record of the verdicts on each count so that the foreman does not get confused when returning verdicts.

3. Views may vary as to whether verdicts should be taken piecemeal or all at the same time. It is suggested that there is no ‘right’ answer. Taking partial verdicts may have the advantage of resolving some counts leaving the jury free to concentrate on the others. Some judges, however, consider that taking some verdicts in advance of the jury resolving all of them may potentially lead to difficulties. The jury’s assessment of the correct verdict on one count may be influenced by their decision on another and accordingly it may be better to leave the jury in a position to revisit their decision on one count in the light of their resolving another count at a later stage of their deliberations. It is suggested that this is quintessentially an area of judicial ‘feel’ in the context of the circumstances that may pertain in a particular case.

4. If verdicts are taken on some, but not all, counts consideration should be given to the need for orders under s.4(2) Contempt of Court Act 1981 to postpone the reporting of the verdicts initially returned, until the jury have completed their deliberations and returned all verdicts.

Crown Court Compendium - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary

The Crown Court Compendium has been revised
www.judiciary.uk www.judiciary.uk
 
Deary me. Somebody at the Daily Mirror will be getting a rollicking!

Kudos to the Websleuthers who immediately noted that the DM should NOT have done that, and that it would be deleted/made private.

On the money as ever.
 
Sadly I don’t share the optimism for verdicts today. It just reminds me of them all setting up their live pages last week. Looks like they’re just preparing and someone hit publish by accident.

I mean, I’d LIKE to see verdicts today. But I’m back to feeling like I was this morning.

Honestly feels like it will never end.
 
WaxLyrical said:
Sadly I don’t share the optimism for verdicts today. It just reminds me of them all setting up their live pages last week. Looks like they’re just preparing and someone hit publish by accident.

I mean, I’d LIKE to see verdicts today. But I’m back to feeling like I was this morning.

Honestly feels like it will never end.
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Having thought about it, I think you're right.
 
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