GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Something I don't understand about LL's arrest, the one we just saw in the video.

So IIRC this is the final time she was arrested and detained by the police and she was taken into custody from her parents' home, interviewed, and then charged.

But on what possible legal grounds had she been previously released without charge to her parents' home? She wasn't on bail as she wasn't charged. Can you be bailed pending charges with living conditions put on that? It sounds legally unlikely to me.

 

[Tortoise]

Something I don't understand about LL's arrest, the one we just saw in the video.

So IIRC this is the final time she was arrested and detained by the police and she was taken into custody from her parents' home, interviewed, and then charged.

But on what possible legal grounds had she been previously released without charge to her parents' home? She wasn't on bail as she wasn't charged. Can you be bailed pending charges with living conditions put on that? It sounds legally unlikely to me.

It was her first ever arrest in 2018.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It was her first ever arrest in 2018.

Oh! So that was from her own home?

 

[Tortoise]

Oh! So that was from her own home?

Yes

 

[Marantz4250b]

Something I don't understand about LL's arrest, the one we just saw in the video.

So IIRC this is the final time she was arrested and detained by the police and she was taken into custody from her parents' home, interviewed, and then charged.

But on what possible legal grounds had she been previously released without charge to her parents' home? She wasn't on bail as she wasn't charged. Can you be bailed pending charges with living conditions put on that? It sounds legally unlikely to me.

It was the first time. That was her house and that's what she was confirmed to be wearing on that date. The video date was 3rd July as well.

She was on police bail which is done when investigations are ongoing. She wasn't charged until November 2020.

 

[Tortoise]

"After this first arrest she was released on bail - part of her bail conditions was that she couldn't return to her home, so she moved in with parents."

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

 

[ColourPurple]

Deary me. Somebody at the Daily Mirror will be getting a rollicking!

Kudos to the Websleuthers who immediately noted that the DM should NOT have done that, and that it would be deleted/made private.

On the money as ever.

We saw police interviews during the Becky Watts murder trial so it's not that they can't publish them at all before a verdict, but to release them now is interesting. I wonder if the press have an agreed time to release them today and the Mirror jumped the gun.

 

[Becky53]

Well at least the walking frame in garage can be accounted for now as she said she’d just had knee surgery.

 

[Tortoise]

Well at least the walking frame in garage can be accounted for now as she said she’d just had knee surgery.

Oh yes, and the crutch behind her bedroom mirror.

 

[Marantz4250b]

We saw police interviews during the Becky Watts murder trial so it's not that they can't publish them at all before a verdict, but to release them now is interesting. I wonder if the press have an agreed time to release them today and the Mirror jumped the gun.

They wouldn't release an arrest video of someone who was found not guilty, especially in their own home. I can envisage all manner of Human Rights claims for something like that.

 

[AnnesCuthberts]

It will reappear when the verdict is given.

I got lucky, right after I sent that comment I managed to walk into a lane and got the video working before it went down. Couldn’t make out a word to be fair!

 

[Marantz4250b]

I missed the clip. What did the video reveal please?

Her being arrested at her home and a very short segment of a police interview from the same day.

 

[DinerMite]

Oh wow - wish I got chance to the video just for my own curiosity really. I wonder if many people managed to screen record it or save it in the meantime. How this happened I do not know

 

[Tortoise]

We shouldn't discuss the content of a video that has been removed. IMO

 

[Marantz4250b]

We shouldn't discuss the content of a video that has been removed. IMO

Yes, you're right there, actually.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

We shouldn't discuss the content of a video that has been removed. IMO

You're right and if we find it somewhere we can't link it here. However, I hear tell that it's 'out there' in places because naturally, people screen recorded.

 

[WaxLyrical]

Is it normal for police to release this sort of information to the papers before a verdict? I’ve always seen things crop up within a few minutes of a guilty verdict, and assumed the police released it to the media as soon as the verdict was delivered, and the media were ready and waiting for it.

I’m a bit uneasy if it transpires they’re handing out this sort of footage before deliberations have even concluded.

With things like the notes, it was the judge who decided they could be shared with the media and public (I thought).

 

[ColourPurple]

They wouldn't release an arrest video of someone who was found not guilty, especially in their own home. I can envisage all manner of Human Rights claims for something like that.

They can release arrest footage during a trial. This was released before Dawn Lewis was found guilty.

Moment woman is arrested after stabbing her friend caught on body worn camera

Lewis, 53, is currently on trial accused of murdering the former police officer, who moved to Glastonbury, Somerset, after being released from prison for killing his former wife in 2011

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[bbsaz]

Is it normal for police to release this sort of information to the papers before a verdict? I’ve always seen things crop up within a few minutes of a guilty verdict, and assumed the police released it to the media as soon as the verdict was delivered, and the media were ready and waiting for it.

I’m a bit uneasy if it transpires they’re handing out this sort of footage before deliberations have even concluded.

With things like the notes, it was the judge who decided they could be shared with the media and public (I thought).

Yes, the police send media outlets footage/evidence which is under embargo and only to be used in the event of a guilty verdict

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Is it normal for police to release this sort of information to the papers before a verdict? I’ve always seen things crop up within a few minutes of a guilty verdict, and assumed the police released it to the media as soon as the verdict was delivered, and the media were ready and waiting for it.

I’m a bit uneasy if it transpires they’re handing out this sort of footage before deliberations have even concluded.

With things like the notes, it was the judge who decided they could be shared with the media and public (I thought).

I assume they release it on very strict grounds that it's not to be published until after the verdict is declared and that if the verdict is 'not guilty' then it's destroyed and not shared?

That is just my vivid imagination.

I also imagine that the news agencies reach out to the police requesting such material in advance of verdicts so they can prepare their stories. In this regard they would probably have to make an argument that a verdict is imminent and likely to be within the next few days so they need to prepare for publication. However, how far in advance would they need to apply for footage? They could have asked weeks ago on the grounds that a verdict is imminent (it wasn't!).