GUILTY UK - Olivia Pratt-Korbel, 9, shot dead, Liverpool, 22 Aug 2022 *arrest*

[bbsaz]

If I was on the jury, I would be getting so irritated by the defences closing speech. Hes going on and on, repeating himself, saying nothing much of substance other than mostly to criticise the prosecutions closing speech. Im scrolling over alot of it thinking "get on with it, spit it out". I wonder if the jury are too?

 

[bbsaz]

He has since moved onto some actual detail, but he is still labouring the points too much imo

 

[Morse12121]

No real proof that he was even at the witness house, no weapon found, no evidence at the scene. He can account for everything. How can they convict him? Simple as that.
I’d be worried if they did convict him.

 

[bbsaz]

The CCTV sightings and general questionable behaviour eg ripping out own CCTV, no phone at time of offence, going to Runcorn to get away etc... common sense will hopefully prevail (imo)

 

[Alyce]

Data from her FitBit showed that she had been walking around the house when she claimed to have been in bed.


I wondered what the fit bit evidence was, I must have missed it earlier. So the evidence she gave about TC coming into her house through an open back door and waking her up is not true then ? Did she open her door and let him in ?

Thomas Cashman murder trial updates as case enters final stages

Thomas Cashman, 34, is accused of murdering Olivia Pratt-Korbel in her own home in Dovecot

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[bbsaz]

No, if guilty, he did come in her open door. She routinely left her doors open, the police found it open themselves. The fit bit part is when she was panicking in the very early days and said she was asleep. When in fact she was proven via fit bit to be moving around her house. She openly admits the early lies when she was panicking. She was stuck between telling the police the truth and thus implicating her boyfriend in assisting an offender, and also reporting a drug dealer and gunman to the police. She must have been terrified. And most likely still is

 

[JerseyGirl]

Thomas Cashman: Olivia murder-accused hated but not guilty - trial

Thomas Cashman, who is accused of shooting Olivia Pratt-Korbel at her home, denies being the gunman.

www.bbc.com

The man accused of killing Olivia Pratt-Korbel is "probably one of the most hated people in the country" but he is not guilty, his barrister said.

 

[bbsaz]

What does it mean when this thread says "Verdict Watch". Apart from the obvious, does it mean we can talk more freely, give our opinions on guilt etc...?

 

[bbsaz]

The CCTV sightings and general questionable behaviour eg ripping out own CCTV, no phone at time of offence, going to Runcorn to get away etc... common sense will hopefully prevail (imo)

Also, the fact neither TC or his alibi Nicky McHale gave any information to the police until they knew the prosecutions hand, speaks volumes imo

 

[Dotta]

"Gunman' accused of murdering Olivia Pratt-Korbel is 'trying to pull the wool over jurors' eyes' and 'thinks they were all born yesterday'."​

Olivia Pratt-Korbel murder accused 'trying to pull the wool over eyes'

The man on trial for killing nine-year-old Olivia Pratt-Korbel was accused today on Manchester of trying to 'pull the wool' over jurors' eyes.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Luwin]

I don't know how much trust I put in fitbit data - when I'm led in bed getting the baby to sleep by patting his back it often picks up I'm on a bike ride

 

[Luwin]

What does it mean when this thread says "Verdict Watch". Apart from the obvious, does it mean we can talk more freely, give our opinions on guilt etc...?

Think it simply means we are waiting for the verdict - not allowed to say anything we weren't before

 

[Alyce]

What does it mean when this thread says "Verdict Watch". Apart from the obvious, does it mean we can talk more freely, give our opinions on guilt etc...?

No it just means as you said, the obvious.

We can offer an opinion on what we think the verdict will be, just make sure you only refer to information that has been reported and - for good measure - add plenty of JMO and MOO.

More in depth discussion can be had of course, round the back

 

[Morse12121]

No, if guilty, he did come in her open door. She routinely left her doors open, the police found it open themselves. The fit bit part is when she was panicking in the very early days and said she was asleep. When in fact she was proven via fit bit to be moving around her house. She openly admits the early lies when she was panicking. She was stuck between telling the police the truth and thus implicating her boyfriend in assisting an offender, and also reporting a drug dealer and gunman to the police. She must have been terrified. And most likely still is

It’s like the defence lawyer said though it’s the little things. If she was so terrified, would she have gone and got her nails done the next day? Why would he go and see her anyway, wouldn’t he have had it planned out beforehand? She’s changed her story god knows how many times..did she want the reward money?

 

[Luwin]

It’s like the defence lawyer said though it’s the little things. If she was so terrified, would she have gone and got her nails done the next day? Why would he go and see her anyway, wouldn’t he have had it planned out beforehand? She’s changed her story god knows how many times..did she want the reward money?

He could never have planned the bit that happened with Cheryl and Olivia- I imagine he was in a massive panic

 

[bbsaz]

It’s like the defence lawyer said though it’s the little things. If she was so terrified, would she have gone and got her nails done the next day? Why would he go and see her anyway, wouldn’t he have had it planned out beforehand? She’s changed her story god knows how many times..did she want the reward money?

I think the bit about the nails sounds perfectly reasonable. Of course the defence have made it sound callous or that the events of the night before in her home didnt happen. Shes terrified and this morning learnt that 2 innocents were shot, one killed. And she holds the answer. She is likely petrified of what to do and gone into autopilot/fright mode and tried to carry on her day as normal, kept appointments and plans, whilst she works out what on earth to do. She must have been under immense pressure

 

[bbsaz]

Imo the jury will find him guilty.

I was concerned last week that they wouldnt, but having heard the KCs and Judges summaries, Im hopeful they will see through, what I believe, is a completely fabricated defense. JMO

 

[LouTennant]

Imo the jury will find him guilty.

I was concerned last week that they wouldnt, but having heard the KCs and Judges summaries, Im hopeful they will see through, what I believe, is a completely fabricated defense. JMO

I do hope they find him guilty.

I have a general feeing that the defendants and even the defence QC came across as a bit cocky and dismissive.
TC only ever spoke up when it suited him and in no way to help the family of the deceased girl.
TC could had given his full story strait away that would have allowed the police to look in other areas if it made sense.
TC could not do that as he was playing a game and waiting to see what story he could fit around the evidence.

I hope the jury does the right thing.

IMO

 

[Alyce]

Just catching up now, adding this link, so that we have it on record for the timing that the Jury went out



11:57KEY EVENT

Jury sent out to begin deliberations​

Justice Yip asks for the court ushers to be sworn in as jury bailiffs.
The jury of 10 men and two women retire to consider their verdicts at 11:55am.

Thomas Cashman murder trial updates as case enters final stages

Thomas Cashman, 34, is accused of murdering Olivia Pratt-Korbel in her own home in Dovecot

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Luwin]

I don't envy the jury at all in this case