UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #5

[Pinkizzy]

She left Sturgis Estate Agents at 12.40 for an appointment with Mr Kipper

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[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[YaYa_521]

Continue the discussion here.

 

[WestLondoner]

Is there any published information regarding JC's movements the moment he left the Wormwood Scrubs bail hostel for the last time? I gather he claims he returned immediately to his mother's although this has never been verified and indeed has been challenged.

Is there any such information for any rapist released from WS in the first half of 1986? There would have been 20 to 30 such individuals; there seems no reason to obsess about one individual.

 

[WestLondoner]

The disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh - murdermap

Estate agent Suzy Lamplugh was 25 when she disappeared without trace on July 28, 1986. Her white Ford Fiesta was found that night outside a house for sale in Stevenage Road, Fulham. Her purse was in the car but the key was missing. She had recorded her last appointment in her office diary –...

www.murdermap.co.uk

Just came across this.

Several suspects have been put forward: Convicted killer John Cannan, who is said to have had the prison nickname ”Kipper” and was living in a hostel after serving an eight year sentence for rape; Ipswich serial killer Steve Wright, who worked on the QE2 at the same time as Lamplugh in 1982; and Michael Sams, who kidnapped an estate agent in Birmingham in 1992.

AFAIAA, the source for the nickname "Kipper" was Gilly Paige, who supposedly heard it from Cannan, but then retracted the entire statement. Is there any other documented source for this?

 

[Pinkizzy]

Is there any published information regarding JC's movements the moment he left the Wormwood Scrubs bail hostel for the last time? I gather he claims he returned immediately to his mother's although this has never been verified and indeed has been challenged.

Is there any such information for any rapist released from WS in the first half of 1986? There would have been 20 to 30 such individuals; there seems no reason to obsess about one individual.

The Railway killers were around that time, I think @Cluesleuth highlighted that point a few months ago.

 

[RichardKimble]

Serial killer perhaps, Suzi Lamplugh missing without a clue to her whereabouts, Claudia Lawrence missing without a clue to her whereabouts, Melanie hall missing without a clue to her whereabouts until her remains were found some 13 yrs later at the side of a motorway, 1986 Suzi Lamplugh, 1996 Melanie Hall, 2009 Claudia Lawrence .

 

[Pinkizzy]

Serial killer perhaps, Suzi Lamplugh missing without a clue to her whereabouts, Claudia Lawrence missing without a clue to her whereabouts, Melanie hall missing without a clue to her whereabouts until her remains were found some 13 yrs later at the side of a motorway, 1986 Suzi Lamplugh, 1996 Melanie Hall, 2009 Claudia Lawrence .

Where was Claudia in 2006? What were the dates of their disappearances?

 

[WestLondoner]

AIUI, Claudia Lawrence's disappearance involves people who have implied their involvement in her likely death by refusal to co-operate with the inquiry into it. It is a group of her mutual acquaintances now in Cyprus, IIRC. Arguably, this is not that much of a mystery. She quite likely knew and crossed someone homicidal, who killed her for it. She was clearly taken by an acquaintance, because she disappeared on her way to work at about 6am. Random abductors aren't going to be looking for victims at 6am, so this someone who knew her route to work. CL herself was obviously happy to accept a lift.

The Lubbock killing at Michael Barrymore's house is similar. There is a limited list of just a handful of people who could have done it, but they've all closed ranks. They could all be involved (which is my guess - if you didn't kill someone why would you protect somebody who did?)...

Both cases tell us that when it's not a deranged random attacker off the street, then it's probably about sex, or money, or drugs. The Lamplugh investigations came up empty on finding a sex, money, or drugs angle, leaving the other one.

 

[Cherwell]

They could all be involved (which is my guess - if you didn't kill someone why would you protect somebody who did?)...

"If you dob me in I'll say you were in on it too"

 

[EddietheEagle]

Both cases tell us that when it's not a deranged random attacker off the street, then it's probably about sex, or money, or drugs. The Lamplugh investigations came up empty on finding a sex, money, or drugs angle, leaving the other one.

How can you make such a ridiculously false assertion? The Lamplugh investigation is completely centred around a suspect, correctly so in my view, who is infamous across the land for his predilection for rape and sexual assault.

 

[Crusader21]

The Lamplugh investigation is completely centred around a suspect, correctly so in my view, who is infamous across the land for his predilection for rape and sexual assault.

With a mindset like that, it be OK for all other police forces to pin similar offences from the same period also on JC ...

The CPS weren't persuaded, correctly asking 'Where's the evidence'?

 

[WestLondoner]

How can you make such a ridiculously false assertion? The Lamplugh investigation is completely centred around a suspect, correctly so in my view, who is infamous across the land for his predilection for rape and sexual assault.

There are about 4,000 rape convictions a year. What evidence eliminated the other 3,999?

 

[RichardKimble]

Serial killer perhaps, Suzi Lamplugh missing without a clue to her whereabouts, Claudia Lawrence missing without a clue to her whereabouts, Melanie hall missing without a clue to her whereabouts until her remains were found some 13 yrs later at the side of a motorway, 1986 Suzi Lamplugh, 1996 Melanie Hall, 2009 Claudia Lawrence .

Where was Claudia in 2006? What were the dates of their disappearances?

I should have put a question mark after perhaps, I was just putting it out there , perhaps abduction and murder whilst rare is not so rare , the the only link there is, is no bodies (intially, then 13 yrs after the fact In Melanies case), no witness's, no proof, just a bunch of dates ,the work of three clever individuals ? not ignoring the post about the Cyprus link posted by WL. I think its likely all knew their killers .

 

[RichardKimble]

AIUI, Claudia Lawrence's disappearance involves people who have implied their involvement in her likely death by refusal to co-operate with the inquiry into it. It is a group of her mutual acquaintances now in Cyprus, IIRC. Arguably, this is not that much of a mystery. She quite likely knew and crossed someone homicidal, who killed her for it. She was clearly taken by an acquaintance, because she disappeared on her way to work at about 6am. Random abductors aren't going to be looking for victims at 6am, so this someone who knew her route to work. CL herself was obviously happy to accept a lift.

Snipped and bolded bit, thought the last she was heard of was the previous night .

 

[CocktailQueen]

Snipped and bolded bit, thought the last she was heard of was the previous night .

She spoke to her mum on the phone and texted a friend in Cyprus the night before, iirc, she didn’t reply to her friend around 9pm. But she was up early for work so could have fallen asleep. Or she could have gone out/been kidnapped. So it’s possible she disappeared the evening before or on the way to work.

 

[WestLondoner]

Is there not CCTV footage of her in the early morning?

 

[CocktailQueen]

Is there not CCTV footage of her in the early morning?

No, but there is cctv footage of a person walking on a road that leads to the back of her house, about 5am.

 

[Pinkizzy]

No, but there is cctv footage of a person walking on a road that leads to the back of her house, about 5am.

That could be Claudia in disguise