Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #18 *ARREST*

[SandSage]

What description would we look for on Ebay?

Oooh! One might look for brown Samsonite Canvas Softside Suitcase Luggage wheels ebay.

 

[MassGuy]

It just makes no sense to do the things that he's done. Who leaves stuff in the alley to just be found?

This guy for one.

None of this makes sense to a person who is somewhat intelligent, and thinking logically.

If this behavior made any sense to us, that probably wouldn’t be a good thing.

I do think some of it can be attributed to panic, and a rush to dispose of evidence.

That doesn’t explain the rest though.

 

[PommyMommy]

It just makes no sense to do the things that he's done. Who leaves stuff in the alley to just be found?

Someone who is careless. I don't think he placed them there; more than likely, he dropped them. MOO

 

[Bits777]

This is the thing that bugs me, as it goes to his state of mind (highly disorganized). Or, perhaps he thought he was invincible and that the window of police taking an interest had passed. I will say that I'm doubtful that he followed true crime stories very much or at all.

Perhaps he was outright psychotic by then.

It is as if he just didn't care to cover his tracks- I mean thank goodness- but I cannot figure out where his mind may have been during this whole brutal and sick ordeal and the aftermath.

 

[Whiteorchids]

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The boots are all I can make it. They are in the lower left corner sitting like a pair.

Your right I can definitely see the boots.

 

[iamcurious9]

I think he looks stunned and stupefied. And of course, not only has he probably not slept much for a while, his car is gone, his house has been searched and he's apparently fled to a friend's house. The life he knew went up in smoke.

A bad choice of words

 

[Whiteorchids]

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The boots are all I can make it. They are in the lower left corner sitting like a pair.

The other black item looks like a black crossbody bag. I can see the strap. That could be a bag she wore at the funeral perhaps with a dress. It’s not the same bag she had at the airport. I usually bring two purses when I travel.

 

[1987]

delete

 

[Boxer]

I am not too convinced she bailed - I think when she met with him the second time after he was arrested, she was blunt about her fees and he likely couldn't afford her.

MOO Selling his house might have covered a lot of it. This site suggests a defense cost of 150,000.

Compare Various Criminal Defense Costs | LegalPriceGuide.com

 

[MassGuy]

It is as if he just didn't care to cover his tracks- I mean thank goodness- but I cannot figure out where his mind may have been during this whole brutal and sick ordeal and the aftermath.

He seemingly did make an effort to cover his tracks in his pre-crime behavior.

This effort was ultimately unsuccessful, but he tried his best.

I think it’s probably a mistake to look at what he did to pull off the murder itself, and conflate that with the coverup effort.

It was the fact that he texted her that led to his identification, but it was his attempt to destroy and remove evidence, that was the really sloppy part.

He had a plan to commit this crime, and that part went off as he intended (ignoring his huge mistake). This part was organized.

It was the rest of it that will ultimately bury him (disorganized).

ETA: Clarification between fact and opinion.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I circled the boots in blue and what I believe to be a black crossbody bag circled in green.

 

[SandSage]

anyone have a pic of the suitcase at the airport handy?

I hope this works:

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[1987]

I hope this works:

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it works. thank you!

 

[Seattle1]

Someone who is careless. I don't think he placed them there; more than likely, he dropped them. MOO

I agree -- he dropped them. I believe much of AA's activity with evidence and his vehicle took place with his car parked in the alley, and not in his front driveway.

He had a huge back garden, and his activity in the alley would not be visible even to anybody inside his own home.

MOO

 

[thebedbug]

He did make an effort to cover his tracks in his pre-crime behavior.

This effort was ultimately unsuccessful, but he tried his best.

I think it’s probably a mistake to look at what he did to pull off the murder itself, and conflate that with the coverup effort.

It was the fact that he texted her that led to his identification, but it was his attempt to destroy and remove evidence, that was the really sloppy part.

He had a plan to commit this crime, and that part went off as he intended (ignoring his huge mistake). This part was organized.

It was the rest of it that will ultimately bury him (disorganized).

Did something new come out in the news, or are you speculating as fact?

The only 2 things I know of are...

1) meeting at the park - which could be something, but we have no idea how/why that was arranged.
2) ML's phone turning off when she got in the car - which we have no idea what the circumstances were and there are plenty of conceivable non-murder plot circumstances that could explain that.

 

[1987]

moo. the suitcase at airport looks like leather or leather like, soft sided spinner bag so 4 wheels, she appears to be rolling it without tilting it. I cant see nothing to give clue about brand though.

 

[MassGuy]

Did something new come out in the news, or are you speculating as fact?

The only 2 things I know of are...

1) meeting at the park - which could be something, but we have no idea how/why that was arranged.
2) ML's phone turning off when she got in the car - which we have no idea what the circumstances were and there are plenty of conceivable non-murder plot circumstances that could explain that.

Great point. There could be a completely innocent explanation for that park meeting, the fact he didn’t pick her up at the airport, and why she wasn’t dropped off directly at his house.

There could also be a completely innocent explanation for her phone going dead, almost as soon as she entered that vehicle.

I’m sure he’s also got a completely innocent explanation for lying to law enforcement about his previous contact with Kenzie (texts and location data).

And those pictures in his phone.

And her partial remains in his backyard.

And his trip to the canyon that led law enforcement to her body.

And all the rest that we aren’t privy to yet.

We’ve been discussing the park pickup for days, and debating whether this was premeditated or not.

Taken as a whole, it isn’t a stretch to see it as an organized effort to make his connection to Kenzie not only a dead end, but nonexistent to begin with.

But no, we won’t know until later as to if he intended this.

 

[BradB]

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We dont have any proof yet if he intended to murder her. We should wait until everything comes out.

 

[thebedbug]

@MassGuy

relax.

nobody is saying he's "innocent." it's pretty clear he murdered her, then sloppily (and probably hastily) tried to cover it up. the point you made was that he tried to cover his tracks before the crime... you're right, it has been discussed a lot here. but, as you seemed to be stating it as fact (which it is not) - i wondered if there had been new evidence released.

 

[1987]

@MassGuy

relax.

nobody is saying he's "innocent." it's pretty clear he murdered her, then sloppily (and probably hastily) tried to cover it up. the point you made was that he tried to cover his tracks before the crime... you're right, it has been discussed a lot here. but, as you seemed to be stating it as fact (which it is not) - i wondered if there had been new evidence released.

what points to covering before crime IMO is he appears to have set out to avoid cameras at airport.