VA VA - York Co, Waller Mill Rd, BlkFem 25-35, UP9380, Skeletal, clothes, "Tif" in shoe, Nov'72

[astridxx]

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...-365009561.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DCBrand

Virginia officials are asking the public to help them identify skeletal remains.

Chief Medical Examiner William Gormley on Tuesday unveiled facial models of eight people who were found dead in central Virginia and have never been identified.

Gormley says three of the sets of remains were found at separate locations and times in Stafford County. Two of the individuals were discovered in Caroline County and one was found in Henrico County. The remaining two were located in James City County and York County.

The facial approximations are of five men and three women. Their remains were discovered between 1972 and 2014.

Gormley is encouraging anyone who may be able to identify the individuals to contact his office.​

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[astridxx]

http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/medexam/missingperson.htm


C1972-00002, NamUs #9380: York County – On November 29, 1972, the remains of a black female were found in a wooded area off of Walter Mill Road in York County. She is believed to have been 25-45 years of age.

 

[rats]

NamUs: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9380

"Skeletal remains of a black female were found in wooded area off Waller Mill Road in York County, Virginia. US coins found with the remains were dated 1967, therefore interval between dead & discovery is five years or less."

Here is the facial reconstruction from NamUs:

Rule outs:

Martha Dicks 1952 South Carolina
Patricia Thomas-Wardell 1952 Texas
Gladys Williams 1951 Washington
Lillian Williams 1925 Louisiana

 

[ShannaL]

Perhaps Lucille Frye?

NamUs

 

[alawaysslueth]

Perhaps Lucille Frye?

NamUs

I think you should go ahead and submit her

 

[Dyakt]

NamUs: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9380

"Skeletal remains of a black female were found in wooded area off Waller Mill Road in York County, Virginia. US coins found with the remains were dated 1967, therefore interval between dead & discovery is five years or less."

Here is the facial reconstruction from NamUs:

Rule outs:

Martha Dicks 1952 South Carolina
Patricia Thomas-Wardell 1952 Texas
Gladys Williams 1951 Washington
Lillian Williams 1925 Louisiana

I looked at this, and took a look at Patricia Thomas- Wardell, why hasn't she been ruled in Namus for this https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4541 ? These remains of an 16-19 year old were discovered a year later, FOUR MILES away on the same road, from where she disappeared, with a post-mortem interval of a year. Matching perfectly with Patricia's disappearance. She's been compared according to Namus to random Jane Doe's, but not the one right next to where she disappeared...?

Should I call this in? Derailing the thread, but somehow I can't make new threads and stumbled upon this.

 

[creepedout]

I looked at this, and took a look at Patricia Thomas- Wardell, why hasn't she been ruled in Namus for this https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4541 ? These remains of an 16-19 year old were discovered a year later, FOUR MILES away on the same road, from where she disappeared, with a post-mortem interval of a year. Matching perfectly with Patricia's disappearance. She's been compared according to Namus to random Jane Doe's, but not the one right next to where she disappeared...?

Should I call this in? Derailing the thread, but somehow I can't make new threads and stumbled upon this.

The height estimate is six inches off, but DNA is available on both, so I wouldn't see any harm in submitting.

 

[Dyakt]

Yeah, the height threw me off, but I'd imagine it could be very wrong.
http://imada.sdu.dk/~hcp/ijo2005.pdf According to this study, a +-4 cm is always a possibility, and since it was a partial skeleton-
http://www.sfu.museum/forensics/eng/documents/calculating-stature/
according to this source the accuracy is even worse when going off of partial remains and had this interesting fact, people under distress may report their beloved one's height wrong.

Although the forensic anthropologist used the femur and tibia to estimate stature in this case, they could have used the arm bones (humerus, radius or ulna). However, this would have required a different formula, and because the arms do not correlate as well to height as the legs, the stature estimation would not have been as accurate. The prediction interval would also be broader (e.g., 180-192 cm using leg bones or 178-194 cm using arm bones).

While stature estimation seems fairly straightforward, producing an estimate is not always easy. Adult stature is the result of several factors including health and nutrition during growth and development; genetics; sex; ancestry; and social conditions. Anthropologists may not be able to account for all of these variables during an analysis, but they can improve their accuracy by incorporating certain aspects of the biological profile (e.g., female of Asian ancestry) and using the most appropriate formulae for that individual.
Cultural factors must also be considered. Our society places great importance on height, especially for males, but this can lead to unconscious mistakes in antemortem documentation. For example, when asked, males tend to overestimate how tall they are. This means that many men are not actually the height listed on their driver’s license or other official identification. Under stressful conditions, family members may also report a loved one’s height incorrectly. This presents a challenge for death investigators because they cannot always be certain that a living stature was reported accurately.

Not coming at you BTW, just found this interesting and something I'll keep in mind

 

[dotr]

Perhaps Lucille Frye?

NamUs

Just noticed a news link stating that Lucille Frye has been identified.
http://wnep.com/2018/03/22/closure-for-family-as-police-identify-cold-case-victim/
March 22, 2018

WEST HAZLETON--- The family of a cold case victim in Luzerne County finally has some answers.

They spent close to 50 years suspecting Jane Doe 1970 was their loved one. Now, they have the proof.

Mitchell Johnson said his heart sank into his stomach when state police told him Jane Doe 1970 was identified as his aunt, Lucille Frye. He said his mom suspected it all along.

 

[Gardener1850]

York County Unidentified

Age: 25-35

Sex: Female

Race: Unknown

Hair:

Eyes:

Height: 5’5” - 5’’8"

Weight:

Missing From: York County, Virginia

Missing Since: 11/29/1972

Details: On November 29, 1972, remains of a female were found in York County. She may have been wearing a gray

or off white sweater, white blouse, black and white dress, and brown loafers with tassels.

Contact: York-Poquoson Sheriff's Office at 757-890-3630.

Virginia State Police

 

[madamx]

Bump

 

[victoriarobinson642]

4 people have been ruled out:
MP35687
Patricia Thomas-Wardell
07/17/1970
Harris, TX
MP13055
Martha Dicks
03/29/1972
Sumter, SC
MP26050
Lillian Williams
01/01/1967
Lincoln, LA
MP7258
Gladys Williams
02/20/1970
King, WA

 

[Beccalicious]

Bumping

 

[sorcoy14]

Here is her new NAMUS link. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Interestingly, she longer has any rule outs.