Verdict is in! GUILTY of MURDER ONE - Hung Jury On Penalty Phase

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Sometime I think the DP is just too good for some criminals. In my eyes it does set them free since there is no more suffering once a person is dead. For many LWOP is best since that certainly is not a comfortable state to be in for the rest of one's life.
 
Why are people assuming the foreman didn't vote for death over the so-called abuse? He clearly did not say that and we DO NOT know how he voted.
 
Watch this, posted earlier. She said she regrets only torturing him three days. She wished it could have been a week. She said she deserves the DP but is ok with LWOP

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=9ngtXPP5krU&desktop_uri=/watch?v=9ngtXPP5krU

IMO I agree it's a much see interview. It's an HONEST look into the mind of a psychopath. Underneath the mask & lies used by Jodi, she is EXACTLY like Jodi! That's how Jodi's mind REALLY works.

Goal driven, cold and remorseless.


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As long as we stay within TOS, I think it is ok for sleuthers to post their thoughts and feelings. If we are angry, we are entitled to be so. If we are sad, same deal.

No one should feel that they dont have a right to express their anger, disappointment or frustration. Or opinions, for that matter.

I am going to bump my own post from last night. As long as we are within TOS, everyone is free to express their own opinion. Including anger or frustration with the jury. We dont have to be impartial. We arent serving on this jury. We all watched the same trial. We all saw it through our own lens. I support those of you who feel that the jury did the right thing. I dont agree, but I support you. I would appreciate it if I were allowed to express my beliefs as well.
 
Interesting article on yahoo voices about prison life. just google it. Tells how the short term and long term prisoners adapt to their situation and their coping mechanisms.
 
I don't want this to come across as an insult or anything. It is not meant that way.

This is MOO. When I saw the jury getting on the bus after the verdict I was stunned to see the age demographics. To me they looked like they were getting on a seniors casino weekend bus. Honestly, that was my first thought and my second was that may have been part of the problem there. That generation may not "get" how relationships are these days or how people text each other. They may have looked at Jodi as somebody who could be their daughter.

Then they also should have seen Travis as their son. In my most respectable opinion, this is about the evidence provided to them. I have not heard the interview yet...but from what we know of cmja, it would seem obvious to me that she could make a gone call her those names.:seeya:
 
Why are people assuming the foreman didn't vote for death over the so-called abuse? He clearly did not say that and we DO NOT know how he voted.

I think it is a reasonable assumption. I agree that we dont know for sure.
 
Then they also should have seen Travis as their son. In my most respectable opinion, this is about the evidence provided to them. I have not heard the interview yet...but from what we know of cmja, it would seem obvious to me that she could make a gone call her those names.:seeya:

Anyone :blushing: thanks auto type....
 
I think it's like this...imagine if someone came to you and said the young daughter of your neighbor commited a horrific, horrific crime where she stabbed her boyfriend to death. You would understanably be shocked, and WANT TO FIND A REASON AS TO WHY. What happened, did she snap? Did she have a mental breakdown? And keep in mind you had never heard anything bad about this girl, and she seemed really sweet and innocent. SO SOMETHING MUST HAVE GONE WRONG.

Not me...I'm jaded...and believe "you never really know somebody".

This jury was given a reason why this crime happened. They were presented with evidence and from that they found her guilty of premeditated murder.

The jury wasn't given any reasonable mitigating factors. Their job during the penalty phase was not to try and psychoanalyze the "why" and what made JA's warped mind tick.
 
I think it is a reasonable assumption. I agree that we dont know for sure.

I disagree, it is not at all reasonable. He stated that the abuse didn't matte in terms of the matter. We don't know how he voted yet people are making assumptions of why he voted for life? That's just silly. It's a real possibility he voted for death. Once again, ppl are speaking based on their emotions.
 
I don't think Travis abused her like domestic violence. She stalked him and he felt suffocated and lost his temper verbally and i really think she pushed his buttons. She did admit on the stand she did things to provoke him.
There is no evidence he hit her. She said there are people who saw the bruises, wouldn't these people come forward if they knew this to be true?

Just to be clear, I don't believe ckja was abused. I think she was entitled, demanding, and bpd.

For whatever reason (maybe focus groups?) the word "abuse" seems to work well for defense. Even without evidence.
 
Oh my goodness. Juan fought for Travis' reputation with all his heart, passion, and huge abilities. Juan's fierce defense of Travis is precisely why I have come to admire him so much as a human being, as well as an atty.

Ok, rereading that I can see I worded it poorly...

ITA about Juan. LOVE him. You can see the fierce desire for justice for Travis (and his family) in his eyes.
He is unbelievable prepared, skilled at speaking, concise (no f&*( endless weeks of his questioning one witness) and absolutely BRILLIANT at driving the important points home.

I am not trying to imply Juan did a poor job, or didn't stand in the position of Travis' defender for this entire trial.

I guess I was wishing out loud that he could convince the judge to NOT allow the DT to put in all this baseless BS to trash Travis' reputation, but I know that isn't something he can argue with her in a trial. Those are issues that have to be argued on a different level, with those who made the legal rulings to begin with... Hopefully, Travis' Law petition can institute some much needed relief for the future.
 
You know that eject button on JW's seat that propelled her 10ft in the air whenever she objected? The jurors needed that for JA's chair during her eternal testimony. I would have been pressing the "eject" multiple times per day.

Perhaps with a spring right in the middle.
 
Jurors who actually deliberated colored RBM;

Keep this handy while we continue to hear from jurors.

Jurors

1.Church Lady- Mid 50's, short hair, no make-up, glasses.
This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.


2.Trump-Guy in 40's, lots of hair, car salesman look.
I called this guy "Comb Over" he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.


3.Housewife-She is a big lady (tall and heavy set, not obese) with a very sweet face, no make-up.
Interesting different view today. I called her the "Angry Neighbor Lady" Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant "sour puss". I don't know if it's just "her look" or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.



4.Grandpa-Bald, sweet faced older man that looks like my grandpa.
I also named this man Grandpa. He does have a sweet face and seems the "calm" type.


5.excusedTricolor-Early 30's, short, stylish haircut with three colors, reminds me of one of my hairstylists.
This is the only one I remembered Anita's name for because her hair stood out, Lol. She reminded me of my best friend. She probably gave more facial expressions than any of the others. She is very engaged and took a fair amount of notes.


6.Nancy-Lady in her 50's, lovely face, reminds me of Nancy Reagan with glasses, short sassy haircut.
I called her Spikey Hair. Anita's description is better. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes.



7.Paul Rudd-Younger guy, mid-late 20's with spiky hair, sweat jacket, looks like the actor Paul Rudd.
He does look like Paul Rudd, but with shorter hair. He's a good looking young man.


8.The CEO-Good looking man, mid 50's with goatee. Can see him being the jury foreman.
I called this guy "The Dad". He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason... I got a fatherly feel from him.

9.Willy-Old hippy with long white ponytail, thin, small build.
This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.


10.Barb-Female, 40's ALTERNATE, has the "sexy librarian" look, wearing a form fitting sweater, slender build and voluptuous. If ANYONE on the jury is offended by disparaging comments regarding breast augmentation, my guess is it would be her. She is the only juror I couldn't see very clearly; just when she entered and exited the courtroom and when I stretched up out of my seat to gawk at her.
I called this lady "Plain Jane" She was very hard to see from where I was, but I could tell she was taking notes quite a bit.


11 Excused for duration of the trial due to illness.Poquito-Little Mexican guy (maybe 5'3) with long graduated pony tail, lots of facial hair and piercings.
I called him "Paco" He was hard to see too, but mostly because he was slouched down in his seat I thought he'd fall off Lol. At one point he was bent over instead of slouching, but still very hard to see.


12.Neil-Early 50's high forehead, glasses, looks very nervous and turns red easily. This is the guy that makes KCL nervous.
I called this guy "Jim" I wrote "very hard to read".



13.The Wrestler-Younger good looking guy, large build.
I called this guy "The Jock" He reminded me a little of Oz on American Pie (Chris Klein).


14.Old potsmoking CPA (I have no idea why I wrote this, i have ZERO recollection of this juror. He did not make any impression on me, other than when I was going down the rows naming them.)
I called this guy Sleepy. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.


15.Elderly Man ALTERNATE-This man is definitely the oldest juror, he occasionally uses the headphones to listen to the proceedings that Jodie's Auntie uses.
I called him "Captain" He has a very intense gaze. It's hard to describe but he gives off a stubborn and no bs vibe. Maybe ex military or something?


16.Maureen-Red haired, glasses (the red might be too red to be a natural ginger) If I had to guess one Mormon on the jury, it would be her.
I called her The Secretary. She took a lot of notes and had a "polished" look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM. She was the only one that really made me feel nervous at all.



17.Pony Tail-Young girl, ALTERNATE pony tail, plain, pony tail and sweats.
I called her frumpy lady. Not in a rude way... it's just the word that came to mind. Very plain. She took a lot of notes.


18.The Artist-Bald, attractive, glasses, 50's-60's, large build, holds his notebook on a binder as if he's going to sketch. He looks around the gallery a lot. I thought we met eyes a couple of times, but who knows, that room is so huge!
This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot. He wasn't the only one doing stuff like that, but I'll get into that in my notes.


Sorry to re-post but I want to get this straight in my head as we start to hear from more and more jurors... Juror #8 should also be listed as excused from the jury ^ So that leaves jurors #1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14, 16, and 18/Jury foreman, who were the ones who actually deliberated - right?
 
Then they also should have seen Travis as their son. In my most respectable opinion, this is about the evidence provided to them. I have not heard the interview yet...but from what we know of cmja, it would seem obvious to me that she could make a gone call her those names.:seeya:
Absolutely. And this is why ageist arguments don't hold water with me.
 
OMG ... listening to the foreman's interview on GMA :

"I'm very sure in my own mind that she was mentally and verbally abused."

And then he tries to "justify" his statement :banghead:

Really ? Seriously ...

OMG ... JMO, but I bet he voted for "life" ... would NOT surprise me !

MOO MOO and MOO !
 
The way Juan Martinez was with her... He's known for having an aggressive style..
Jury Foreman.
Odd comment.

No kidding. He may be known for liking Johnny Mathis, too. What's that got to do with anything?
 
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