Verdict Watch 05/04/ and 05/05/2013

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Thank you for your response. :)

Well, I was just thinking about this and Motive is a huge crux for murdering someone and which would explain premeditation or "snapping"

IMO, there truly wasn't enough emphasis on Motive. The jury doesn't need to know Who did it; they need to know Why. Motive would lend itself to this question. I've watched the entire trial. I'm just not sure her Motive was explained in a concise way to the jury. We know a lot more than they do.

The State doesn't have to provide a motive but i think it greatly helps. I think given the common public knowledge today the Jurors will see Jodi for who and what she is. There have been cases where a motive wasn't crystal clear. Sometimes there are many reasons building to the end result. IMO
 
I posted a commissary list a few threads back after her tweet about it. I think they were on the list.
Here it is:
http://free-kevin-walsh.tripod.com/letters/kevin0706-2.html
Haven't checked it closely yet to see if it is on there.

Added: I take that back. Don't see nail things but I do see denture adhesive in her future. :)

Well, thank goodness nail files aren't on there because a nail file in an inmate's possession? :eek:

But how does she get her nails so straight and they look well groomed.

That's going to bug me now. Unless one of the Alpha Females in there can hook her up with an inmate who is a manicurist.
 
I don't know if we will have a verdict tomorrow! Would be nice but I think that the jury has alot of material
To to go. Over and remember they haven't been able to discuss amongst themselves the case. Each has their own notes taken during the trial so they will be comparing notes and evidence and everything else.

I sure would love to know what ALV ! did and what was the trouble she was in.
Watching closing and than going back to watch the parts of the closing I missed because I had errands to run. I cried watching the family heartbreak. I just feel so bad and sad for them. I don't know how many times I wished I could reach thru the screen and given Steven a big motherly hug. His sisters cried and even though Steven clearly was upset , he tried to be strong for his sisters. One time I seen him cry and I'm sure there were many times but this particular time! I seen him cry! I broke down. Their behaviour in the courtroom so proper and respectful. I can't remember ever watching a trial and feeling so close and bonded to this family as I have here.
Watching travis friends testify! About him and his character! REALY touched my heart. Clearly Jodie did not fit in with his friends and family. She tried to alienate him from friends! That is one part of the cycle of abuse. To isolate someone from friends and family all to your self. She was verbally abusive with him and her stalking behaviours etc all point to her as the person inflicting domestic violence on him.
 
I am sure you have prob discussed this already, but I was reading one of the minute entries on the Maricopa site for this case.....the mitigation specialist submitted to be paid for 100 hours.....for what??? passing notes??

Jazzing up the courtroom with her wild outfits. Remember the red red flamingo blouse?

Plus, they have to pay people to be friends with Jodi.
 
Well, thank goodness nail files aren't on there because a nail file in an inmate's possession? :eek:

But how does she get her nails so straight and they look well groomed.

That's going to bug me now. Unless one of the Alpha Females in there can hook her up with an inmate who is a manicurist.

I'm thinking they "barter" their services. :floorlaugh:
 
"After months of a grueling trial, testimony was finally over. It’s time for Juan Martinez to enter the court room to begin his closing remarks. As he walked into the court room, I believe Travis was walking with him. He paused as Juan went to his seat, and looked at his family. They sat diligently through the hours of horrifying attempts to take Travis’s accomplishments away from him and ruin the memory of a man who was trying to make his way through this cruel world. He smiled at them, went one by one and touched their cheeks. “Relax” Travis whispered. “This is almost over.” An eerie calm settled over the Alexander family and friends. Samantha and Tanisha both felt his presence watching over them..."


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http://www.twit longer.com/show/n_1rk4tj0
 
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/The-many-face-of-Jodi-Arias-jury-takes-up-murder-4489940.php#photo-4579652
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Possible captions ...

Are you talking about me? :eek:
I've got a list ... want to be on it? :devil:
Remember what I said: No jury will convict me! :lol:

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What caption do you think fits this creepy picture?

Hmmm. . . you look delicious!! especially when served with a side dish of fava beans and a nice bottle of Chianti.


What do you mean unskilled?? I am President of the Yreka Knife and Gun Club.

Are you kidding me?? I could do you with 2 slashes to the chest and would not even bother with a head shot.
 
I will very respectfully disagree with you on your post. Here is why... Who did it is FAR more important than why they did it. Although motive is great to have, legally it is not required to obtain a verdict (that is law, not just my opinion).

I also watched the entire trial and all of the elements needed to prove 1st degree premeditated murder are there: That is all you need for a conviction.

1. Her DNA, palm print, hair and photos prove that SHE committed the crime.

2. Crime scene photos, victim photos, autopsy photos clearly show WHAT was done to the victim.

3. Cover-up was proven by clean up of the scene, clean up of herself, putting the dog behind a fence and locking the bedroom door, cleaning and repositioning of the corpse, deletion of the photos, towels and camera bleached in washing machine, fake phone call to Travis later that day, alibi of Ryan Burns, lied, lied, lied and acted (very successfully) like nothing was wrong to everybody she knew.

4. Premeditation elements proven by rental car 90 miles away, gas cans, hair color change, phone turned off entire time in AZ, license plate... She kept a meticulous track of everything she did everywhere EXCEPT AZ... That was deliberate, regardless of what the defense argues. BUT, even if you choose to consider all of those items as coincidence (which is an enormous mental feat)... then you need to consider this extremely important point:

Premeditation can happen in seconds. It does not require a plan. The act of her going from gun to knife is proof alone that she KNEW she would kill him. Again, Juan laid this out brilliantly in closing... everybody knows a slash to the neck will kill someone. She didn't stop there (or begin there). She stabbed him in the heart with a KNIFE. She shot him in the head with a GUN. The few minutes it took to commit this crime and change weapons is PREMEDITATION. That has been proven.

The ONLY way you can legally not find her guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder with all of these factors shown and proven in court, is to believe her story that she "accidently" shot him with his gun that she thought was unloaded, that she obtained from his closet in the midst of a struggle that oh by the way was completely pristine after the crime, and that she blacked out and doesn't remember the stabbing or cleaning or driving or lying for hours after. It defies logic.

So with all due respect, no... motive doesn't matter here. (Although, I firmly believe it was laid out very well during the trial).

We all wish we had clear answers as to why people do what they do, because it's not comfortable to believe that such evil exists in this world. Sadly, it does and history has proven that.

Please don't get caught up in the "weeds" as they say. Focus on the facts of the case and a more clear picture will emerge for you.

Thanks for listening to my side of things :)

Bingo! Great post: it neatly sums up everything. No fog in your "closing." Nuh uh.
 
Ok. Can someone please tell me, I might have missed it: What did the Prosecution present to the jury as to Jodi's Motive? Not the premeditation, not speculation, not theory.

What did the State Present to the Jury as per her Motive? TIA

Scorned Woman jealousy
 
BBM::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I know right?! I totally justified hogging the xbox by saying they need a break from those darn xbox video games. Their handheld 3DS games are juuust fine though;) Play those! :floorlaugh:
 
Well, thank goodness nail files aren't on there because a nail file in an inmate's possession? :eek:

But how does she get her nails so straight and they look well groomed.

That's going to bug me now. Unless one of the Alpha Females in there can hook her up with an inmate who is a manicurist.

well, I was thinking that maybe there is some sand mixed in with the paint on the floor in the shower, you know so you won't slip....she prob just bends over for awhile and runs her nails back and forth over the floor..... :floorlaugh:
 
And like most, I would dearly love to know what the final "issue" was that finally got to Travis. I DO NOT think if it was something like "stealing" from his PPL account or bank account, that would have come out after he died.
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Respectfully disagreeing w. above. I zig and zag about the basis of TA's threat to expose JA, BUT...
If JA had hacked into his PPL business accounts, client lists, etc., and
had somehow transferred/finagled commission credits from him to her (so she got paid /tried to get paid) by PPL for policies he sold, or if she wrote some bogus policies or sold coverage to non-existent people or non-existent businesses, etc.

IMO, possible if TA’s threat was to expose JA for some PPL business shenanigans, that would not have “come out” by now. Come out where?

First, MSM, Social Media ?
As a gen principal, businesses do not like word of this kind of activity by their agents or employees to be spread, because of 1. bad public image, and 2. exposing weakness or chinks in the armor of their systems to their agents and employees.
Many times co’s respond quietly, IME as a home office employee for many yrs, in a financial services co., where I saw many of these types of Jodi-like above actions addressed. A MultiLevelMkting co like PPL/Legal Shield may handle even more easily and quietly, as many/most of their sales force = independent contractors working this as a second part-time job. In some instances, the infrequent exception in my experience, the co. provides documentation to law enf and/or to regulators. But if the co still needs to pay $ to make a client whole, it still going to have to do that, so why add bad publicity if not necessary? Fix the problem, terminate the employee, and move on.

Second, Evd at Trial.
It’s possible Juan subpoenaed PPL business books and records re Jodi, and
it’s possible PPL provided a boxcar of doc’s, corroborating Jodi’s (above speculated) actions of bogus policy-writing or non-existent customers, etc.
Does that mean all the doc’s would have come out as evd at trial? Not necessarily.

Could the state have used them to show motive? Possibly.
Also possible def‘s pre-trial motions would have had PPL doc’s excluded from evd.
Prosecutor does not have to show motive.
Juan showed Jodi had plenty of motive, jealousy, rage, anger, hatred, etc., re TA.

If def. had not been able to prevent docs from being introduced in evd?
Then IMO just like w. her journals, texts & emails w. TA, etc., Jodi would dispute every piece of paper, every email, every computer commission report, every client application for PPL coverage (whatever docs would be intro’ed to prove her bogus activities).
She would be on the stand disputing each and every document, one page, one sentence, one phrase, one word at a time, IMO
She would insist on saying that the words, numbers, dollar amounts, dates, and even the semi-colons in the 100, 500, or 1000 docs do not mean what they say.

IMO, showing Jodi to have been engaging in some business shenanigans would be largely cumulative about her pattern of lying. We and the jury already knew that.

Admittedly, proving the shenanigans could show that TA’s exposure would have made her radioactive to the pool of PPL and/or Mormon potential marriage/’official’ bf candidates. That could add a another layer to the motive cake.

The time and effort and difficulty of proving TA’s threat to expose her shenanigans as a motive which is not needed might have distracted the jury from the other elements in the case, which must be proven for a conviction.

That said, further info about TA’s threat to expose JA and the basis for the threat may very well come out later, perhaps in a book.

^^^IMO^^^
 
Thank you for your response. :)

Well, I was just thinking about this and Motive is a huge crux for murdering someone and which would explain premeditation or "snapping"

IMO, there truly wasn't enough emphasis on Motive. The jury doesn't need to know Who did it; they need to know Why. Motive would lend itself to this question. I've watched the entire trial. I'm just not sure her Motive was explained in a concise way to the jury. We know a lot more than they do.

Part of the reason for this is there is no legal requirement to show a motive.

Legally all that has to be shown is who did it, how they did it, and for a first degree conviction, that they thought about it and acted with the intent of killing (premeditated) before they carried it out.

Example; the time between the stab wounds and the slitting of the throat shows she thought about it and decided to slash his throat, that wasn't just from wildly stabbing from snapping uncontrollably- that was a directed action.

Motive is helpful for law enforcement to find a perpetrator, it is not a legal requirement for conviction.
 
Oh and I had thought the guy with the Gray goatee was that guy that usd to visit JA in jail I think Carr was his last name. Than I commented a few days ago about it and wondered why he would walk up to the judges side and sit down.
It confused me! As to why he would do that. Than I find that it's the judges boyfriend.
Duh on me huh
 
I HATE road trips, but if she's on a chain gang, I'd be tempted to drive to Arizona and spend my summer driving around Miracopa County just so I could witness this myself. And point and laugh.

I wonder if you slung a cherry icee at her head while going down the road how much trouble you would get into?

maybe charged with littering?
 
I really don't see how the slice to his throat could be anything but 1st degree - heat of passion does not go for the jugular and neither does self defense. Add everything else in and it only becomes more clear, this girl had intent to kill. DT and media like to confuse with external nonsense.
 
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