Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

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I still believe we are dealing with one, more than likely caucasian, middle aged, organized, sadistic serial killer. I don't think it is a gang or rogue cops. I think the sk is taking advantage of a highly disfunctional police force that seems to have no motivation to solve these crimes. It appears to me they do not care a whit about these women or their families. He picked a perfect place to commit these crimes!
 
I still believe we are dealing with one, more than likely caucasian, middle aged, organized, sadistic serial killer. I don't think it is a gang or rogue cops. I think the sk is taking advantage of a highly disfunctional police force that seems to have no motivation to solve these crimes. It appears to me they do not care a whit about these women or their families. He picked a perfect place to commit these crimes!
For the most part I agree with you. I just tend to go back and forth on if its one or two killers. But if there happens to be two killers I always think the killer of gb4 is exactly what you described.
 
For the most part I agree with you. I just tend to go back and forth on if its one or two killers. But if there happens to be two killers I always think the killer of gb4 is exactly what you described.
it is the working in tandem that I dont agree with.
 
How does Eve Eskin Brown's phone end up in the hands of a total stranger...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ed-Victims-**MERGED**&p=10944492#post10944492

Oh... sorry... He says "Eve's phone had been stolen from a U-Haul truck." Let's leave the man alone..

Man... this LISK is one uberintelligent sombich!

He kills women and hides their bodies and makes sure their phones end up in the hands of totally innocent thieves... Whoa! What a devilish genius!
 
Hi,

We're looking for the answer to a question about the calls LISK made to Melissa's sister Amanda with Melissa's cell phone after she disappeared.

It's widely reported that the LISK stopped calling Amanda shortly after a Buffalo TV station broke the story about the calls.

Does anyone know the name of the Buffalo station and the exact date they broke this story? Has anyone come across anything like this in their research?

Thanks!

Rachel and Josh
 
Hi,

We're looking for the answer to a question about the calls LISK made to Melissa's sister Amanda with Melissa's cell phone after she disappeared.

It's widely reported that the LISK stopped calling Amanda shortly after a Buffalo TV station broke the story about the calls.

Does anyone know the name of the Buffalo station and the exact date they broke this story? Has anyone come across anything like this in their research?

Thanks!

Rachel and Josh

I have not been on top of who you are RAchel and Josh - who are you and what exactly are you
doing? I think - you are making a movie? Can u please re-fresh this information why you are
on Websleuths asking questions of the LISK case? and Melissa's phone and the story breaking
of the calls to her cell phone?
 
Hoot Owl - Tricia has posted about this - they are making a documentary.

Please see Tricia's post here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?281358-Docu-Series-Websleuths/page7





I have not been on top of who you are RAchel and Josh - who are you and what exactly are you
doing? I think - you are making a movie? Can u please re-fresh this information why you are
on Websleuths asking questions of the LISK case? and Melissa's phone and the story breaking
of the calls to her cell phone?
 
Hi,

We're looking for the answer to a question about the calls LISK made to Melissa's sister Amanda with Melissa's cell phone after she disappeared.

It's widely reported that the LISK stopped calling Amanda shortly after a Buffalo TV station broke the story about the calls.

Does anyone know the name of the Buffalo station and the exact date they broke this story? Has anyone come across anything like this in their research?

Thanks!

Rachel and Josh


Here is the info you are seeking + some more of my old posts on the phonecalls topic.
The link does not work anymore, but I have found it by doing som research, posted here as the nr 2 link:



http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...elemy&p=6498951&highlight=buffalo#post6498951

Post #12

In this Sep 6th 2009 newsreport MB's mother stated:

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...-in-the-bronx/

Quote:

"The police have disclosed someone has my daughter," said the Barthemely's mother. "But I can't disclose more, but someone has my daughter."

That statement is probably based on that her mother and the police knew that a man was calling MB's little sister from MB's phone,
but still an interesting statement that I havn't heard before.




http://www.ny1.com/archives/nyc/all...ve-last-seen-in-the-bronx-NYC_105331.old.html

Missing Buffalo Native Last Seen In The Bronx
By NY1 News
Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 09:25 PM EDT

Police are looking for a Buffalo native who disappeared from her Bronx home last month.

Melissa Barthelemy, 24, was last seen leaving her Soundview apartment on July 12th.

Barthelemy moved to the city from Buffalo three years ago, after graduating from cosmetology school.

Her mother says she has not heard from her daughter since July 7th.

"A friend of [my daughter's] called me and said he hadn't spoken to her in days," said Barthemely's mother Lynn, who filed a missing person's report on July 15th. "So I called her phone and left a message, 'this is mom, call me back.' And normally, by the next day I get a phone call back, and [this time], nothing. The next day I left another message."

"Around the end of July I was contacted by a family member. The family member expressed concerns about Melissa and that the new city police weren't working the case to the satisfaction of the family," explained Erie County Sheriff Tim Howard.

As the result of Erie County sheriff's involvement, the New York City Police Department opened an investigation into Barthelemy's disappearance.

"The police have disclosed someone has my daughter," said the Barthemely's mother. "But I can't disclose more, but someone has my daughter."

Barthelemy's mother says authorities discovered that her daughter earned money as a prostitute, sometimes posting her services on Craigslist.

"Always know where they are. They have lots of secrets. You may think you know your kids, but you don't," said Lynn Barthemely.

The missing woman is described as being 4 foot 11 inches and 95 pounds with blond hair. She has the word "blaze" tattooed on her upper back.




http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...arnes&p=8250599&highlight=buffalo#post8250599

post # 235

Concerning wheter the SK's phonecalls to Melissa Barthelemy's little sister was recorded or not, here is a copy of a post I have previously posted here on WS:


The day of the killers third call , July 23, 2009, police requested a tap on the phone.
So at the next call, date not known, the date of next 3 calls have not been published, police tapped the calls, which means the last 4 calls were tapped, including the last call beeing Aug 26, 2009.


http://missingpersonsnetwork.org/201...serial-killer/


"Approximately a week after Melissa’s disappearance, Amanda, Melissa’s 15-year-old sister received a call from Melissa’s cell phone. Relieved and excited, expecting to hear her sister’s voice, Amanda found herself speaking to a man who authorities believe was Melissa’s killer. During the call, the man said sexually explicit things to the child and began describing horrific things he was going to do to her. It wasn’t until the third phone call police finally requested a tap on the phone. On August 26, 2009 the male caller made his last call to Amanda and reportedly admitted to killing Melissa. He also warned Amanda he knew where she lived and would come and kill her too."


The info is in a post I posted on page 6, on this thread post #132:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...=134782&page=6


FYI, the phone calls to MB's sister started July 16, 2009 and ended Aug 26, 2009 with the caller saying he killed Melissa.
The calls ended after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.
So the timespan of the calls where 5 weeks and 3 days.


2009 calls made by the killer from MB cell phone,
(7 all together. The dates of phonecalls number 4,5, and 6 has not been made public ):

1. July 16,

2. July 19

3. July 23

4. ?

5. ?

6. ?

7. Aug 26






http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...elemy&p=8681129&highlight=buffalo#post8681129

#355

This is what I have on the killers contact with victims relatives etc, nothing specific on textmessages though.
It is from the MB Timeline thread:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...light=timeline


The seven Jul/Aug 2009 phonecalls, made by the killer to Melissa's little sister Amanda.
Quotes:

According to newsreports, there were seven calls in all.
The caller I.D. displayed the number of Melissa’s missing cellphone
The killer always phoned in the evenings,
The killer always spoke for less than three minutes.
In all phonecalls the caller only wanted to talk to Melissa Barthelemy's little sister Amanda.
One time MB's mother answered, and the killer hung up as soon as he heard her voice.
Whoever was calling knew what Amanda looked like.
Police traced some of the calls to midtown Manhattan; Times Square, and Madison Square Garden, and another to Massapequa.
The killer sounded like an "older white guy"
Authorities tell CBS News he's likely white, between 25 and 40, is intelligent and street-smart
The killers voice was self-assured, a low voice, calmly mocking MB's sister.
"He was calm, in control," "He knew what he was doing." Amanda says.
"The voice on the other end was calm and bland, and never yelled or laughed" her mother, Lynn Barthelemy, said.
The killers was vulgar, mocking and insulting, according to the dead woman's mother, Lynn Barthelemy.
''If you accept it was the killer calling, he certainly had feelings of anger towards prostitutes.'' Mr. Cohen, Lynn Barthelemy's lawyer, said.

The calls abruptly stopped in August 2009 after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.


2009 calls from the killer, using MB's cell phone.

7 calls were made, Belowe are the 4 known dates, the last 3 calls has not been disclosed):


Thurs July 16, 2009: first call
Sun July 19, 2009:
Thurs July 23, 2009
Wed Aug 26, 2009: last call ( 01:00 am, lasted ca 40 seconds ) traced to the Times Square area.



SK Phonecalls content:

Thise are quotes from some of the phonecalls:

“Is this Melissa’s little sister?”

“I hear you’re a half-breed.”

'Do you know what your sister is doing? She's a *advertiser censored*.' (1st call according to LB's atty Steve Cohen)

“Are you gonna be a *advertiser censored* like your sister?”

"Do you think you'll ever see to her again?," .... "You won't. I killed her," (after having sex with her, he claimed Aug. 26, 2009, 1AM )
In the final call, the man described in graphic detail to the victim's sister what he had done sexually to Barthelemy, Cohen said.

And according to LB's atty Steve Cohen, in Dec 2011 48 Hours:

The killer also said that he know where Amanda lives and that he might come after her.

and that; "The killer said sexually exposit things as to what he had done to Melissa, and he said sexually

exposit things as to what he was going to do to Amanda"



Melissa's boyfriend, Johnny Terry also recived several phoncalls, probably, from the killer

1.According to Melissa's boyfriend, Johnny Terry, he too recieved taunting calls from someone he described as a "white guy".

2.Terry received over thirty phone calls during an eight month period, the caller mentions tattoos. Terry is quoted as saying, “He was threatening me. He said you liked to do some crazy stuff with Melissa. I know where you be at. Most of the time he seemed drunk. He knew who I was. He knew I had tattoos on my back.” One of the phones used to make these calls was a throw-away phone registered to Mickey Mouse.

3.Earlier that evening (July 12, 2009), the blond beauty told her boyfriend that she might be going to Long Island, a frequent haunt of hers. She regularly hung out there with a girlfriend who also worked as an online escort, as well as at the home of a regular client. Her boyfriend said he would oftentimes pick her up from the john's house."She would go to Long Island a lot," said her boyfriend Johnny Terry, who spoke exclusively with The Daily Beast. "She had some older man she was chummy with."Terry, who law-enforcement sources say was Barthelemy's pimp, said she was very secretive about her plans that night and declined an offer for a ride. "This time she said no," said Terry, who denies that he was her pimp. "I woke up in the morning and she wasn't there."



Additional info:
The NYPD was able to trace the last two calls to the Madison Square Garden and Times Square area.

They traced a second phone, that belonged to her ( Melissa), to an ex-con who said he picked it up after a tussle between hookers in Times Square orchestrated by a pimp.
 
I have not been on top of who you are RAchel and Josh - who are you and what exactly are you
doing? I think - you are making a movie? Can u please re-fresh this information why you are
on Websleuths asking questions of the LISK case? and Melissa's phone and the story breaking
of the calls to her cell phone?

I just noticed Rachel and Josh will be on True Crime Radio w/Bessie tomorrow night, so you might get additional info from this :)

http://www.truecrimeradio.com/crops...man-and-producer-rachel-mills-join-us-on-tcr/
 
I've posted similar questions/thoughts previously... but here, watch me do it again ;)

The phone calls to the victims' family (& pimp) set this apart from most all other serial killer cases. I don't have any statistics but I'm of the opinion that this is very rare. So, if I get beyond this and think of the nature of the calls being cruel and threatening... okay, he's a killer and heinous cruelty is his specialty. BUT why would he says he's with NYPD and ask about a missing persons report being filed?? Was this to taunt Melissa's mom because she had so much trouble filing a report?? If so, how did he know??
 
On the off chance that LISK is responsible for some of the Edmonton murders, I wonder if Melissa's family and Blaze have heard this recording: [video=youtube;6mEeyd1sF6g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mEeyd1sF6g[/video] It's of Amber Tuccaro and the POI in her case. She was murdered in 2010.
 
( more: [video=youtube;mwqZcfJN6gs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqZcfJN6gs[/video] )
 
On the off chance that LISK is responsible for some of the Edmonton murders, I wonder if Melissa's family and Blaze have heard this recording: [video=youtube;6mEeyd1sF6g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mEeyd1sF6g[/video] It's of Amber Tuccaro and the POI in her case. She was murdered in 2010.
How freaking scary! Thanks for sharing this. Never heard of her case before.
I wanna read more about her case. I'm assuming she has a thread here?
 
I've always wondered through what "investigative means" were they able to obtain a recording of that call.
 
I've always wondered through what "investigative means" were they able to obtain a recording of that call.

Hi LRI, it is either mentioned in the second video I posted or in the most recent long article that's out there floating around (google should bring it up, will link here if I get a chance and it's not in the article) that the recording happened by chance because she she'd been on the phone with her brother, and her brother was incarcerated at the time. The recording is from the jailhouse phones which were had all calls monitored/recorded.
 
BUT why would he says he's with NYPD and ask about a missing persons report being filed?? Was this to taunt Melissa's mom because she had so much trouble filing a report?? If so, how did he know??

A great question. It makes me think of the themes in hawkshaw's posts.


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Lets assume the killer called Amanda from his car. He would not want himself or his car on camera. Where would he call from? Parking garage. There are several of them in the area.
 
A great question. It makes me think of the themes in hawkshaw's posts.


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The reason he asked that question maybe he's just fishing or perhaps she made smalltime news in the circles.. Notice the dates.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/missing-persons-melissa-barthelemy-24-bernardo-calero-66-6721219
http://nypost.com/2009/07/24/nypd-daily-blotter-2567/

If he was a cop, or a person close to LE he would know better than leaving tattoos untouched... Tatoos can come quite handy for police to identify victims - of course unless you are a worthless crook who withholds the tattoo of a victim for no rational reason.

Yes, he tried something with Jessica's tattoo, but be careful, he did not remove it entirely. Take a good look into the psyche there. He removed just the "Remy's Angel" part. Because it is the name "Remy" that gives him the jitters, because he knows who Remy is.

He's not in the LE circles, he's "in" the prostitution circles. A lackey, a wannabe pimp, friend of a pimp.. something like that.

You can read each"he" above as "they".
 
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