weekend break: discuss the latest here #125

[Sleuth5]

I’m just getting back up to speed on the case, but the similarities in the defense really jumped out at me. It seems Mary’s testimony is what turned the case in her favor. The jury believed her even tho there was really no proof of the sexual abuse except that the defense showed the jury a pair of white platform-heel shoes and a wig Mary Winkler said her husband wanted her to wear during sex. And Pornographic photos she identified as coming from their home computer were entered as evidence. As for the physical abuse, her father suspected abuse but Mary denied it to him and she never received any medical treatment for injuries…….The prosecution even presented a motive for the murder. They submitted details from Mary's confession and revealed what they believe was her motive: She was caught up in a swindle that sunk the family into a financial mess. As part of what is known as a Nigerian 419-type scam, Mary received worthless checks totaling about $17,500, then moved the funds around a number of bank accounts, allowing her to make withdrawals before the checks had cleared—an illegal practice called check-kiting. Matthew and his wife argued about her reckless dealings a day before the killing, say prosecutors, and it was his anger toward her that led her to plan his murder and leave him dying on the floor.

Thanks! I do recall those details now, and she was lots more believable on the stand -- though as I recall, there were many who felt that she had managed to pull one over on the jury in that case as well. But, I do remember watching her testimony, and she was pretty compelling -- and there were the kids as well. Her story made a whole lot more sense than the one we've hear from JA (that sounds too silly to even actually say in this instance).

:cow:

 

[katiedid2]

:what: How did they get this info??? I would have spit in her face. I'm not as refined as Samantha, but, I'm just a "poor slob from the Bronx".:furious:

What could laviolette Possibly have said ,to Samantha to justify her coming up to her.

 

[kaRN]

It didn't take me 44 hours to realize this defendant is GUILTY beyond ANY reasonable doubt.

All that was needed were 1) photographs - of Travis in the shower, what the camera inadvertently took and the crime scene afterward. 2) the blood/DNA evidence JA left behind, 3) grandparents' .25 gun stolen and 4) her attempts to cover up her trip with her receipts and absence of any in AZ.

MOO

Me neither. I really feel for this jury because I get the impression that they've been ready to deliberate for weeks and the DT case is only making them more sure of what they knew 3 weeks ago. From reading PASA and KCL's impressions, all these rolled eye smirking glances ALV has been throwing their way, have been missed because they aren't even looking at her.
I think we'll have a verdict after their first vote but they'll sit and relax a little just to give the appearance that a discussion was required. It may take longer for them to vote in a foreperson than the verdict will. MOO

 

[CaraJay]

Reading the journals and Jodi writes: on her phone that was lost, Travis send a long 10 page scandalous text that would make a steamy romance novel look like a G-rated Disney movie.

Thus the reason she lost the phone after a 10 page text it would seem she wouldn't have much memory left on that phone. She's good she lost said phone and saved the text. I totally dislike hate this woman. I want the worst that could happen to her. She was pre mediating this for months. Ugly Ugly person.

 

[Colt46]

I think she was extremely frustrated/angry about her finances...

Her dad took her to the Hertz rental place the day before her arrest...I suppose it was the one in Yreka

I don't understand. Why all the rental cars? We know the 'why' about the rental car on the murder road trip, but why the one on July 15. Was her Infiniti repossessed at this time? Not operable? Why didn't she make the payments on her Infiniti instead of spending $$$ on rental cars? She could have 'parked' herself in Yreka, found a job, and 'borrowed' a car or 'hitched' a ride from one of her relatives in Yreka to go back and forth to work.

Instead, she decides to leave town again - this time to Monterey to visit MM in a rental car! Makes no sense considering her finances....unless she is planning to flee the state or the country. My 'theory' all along has been that the trip to Monterey was to pick up MM and flee to Mexico to avoid arrest. She had the new gun, she had already mailed a 'suicide' letter to her Grandma, and she was all set to go. Her expectation was that Det. Flores et al would believe that she had indeed committed suicide and she would assume a new identity. The only question in my mind is whether or not her parents were aiding and abetting her. After watching their interviews with Det. Flores on the day of the arrest, I still have a question mark.

 

[panthera]

BBM. Panthera, is that why she did it? I don't actually remember. The finances are pretty compelling too, for the reasons you've given for sure.

Not sure, so basically my statement was hypothetical, and somewhat based on my own experience. I do recall reading there was a better choice in Redding, however.



MOO

 

[Tulessa]

Eat your heart out Nurmi! :floorlaugh:

Marty! Sexy and he knows it!

[video=youtube;BJB7aqBxbtY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJB7aqBxbtY[/video]

 

[SunnyinMO]

I'm sorry if this has been brought up before, but I just took a look at a portly member of the DT's web site and I noticed that their bread n' butter is defending child molesters and sex offenders. Is there any truth to that, or is it possible that someone threw up a hoax site - as it does look like a cookie cutter template. TIA

Yes, that is his speciality......:banghead::banghead:

 

[Sleuth5]

I assume the person named Falsity is referring to Jodi...yes?

Yes. Tuba would be more at home with Sophocles than the 21st century, I'm thinking (meant as a compliment).

:cow:

 

[SunnyinMO]

Yes, yes...But, but.....if the lawyer knows that his client is guilty and his client knows he is guilty, how do you defend someone like this????? It's all a lie, isn't it????:banghead:

guilty or not...our constitution guarantees us a fair trial.

 

[kaRN]

I assume the person named Falsity is referring to Jodi...yes?

I'm under the same assumption. :seeya:

 

[katiedid2]

Unless Katie tells us what was said, I don't believe it that is what she SAID. Katie was the FIRST PERSON to inform the media there and us that ALV approached her. However, Katie did not even tell us what was said. Katie was THERE when it happened. << It is over on the other thread...you can read all of Katie's notes here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=6942348

katie didn't know what was said. Iirc Samantha said to katie " martinez was taking care of it"

 

[panthera]

the gas cans. nobody, but NOBODY, drives around with three 5 gallon cans full of gas. the cellphone being off the entire time she was in AZ.

i'd add those to the list.

That reminds me of a comment I believe was on JVM's show last week...or at least one of the HLN programs. The person stated they lived in AZ and always had gas cans with them so as not to run out in the middle of nowhere. That I may have found believable in years past when cars didn't get good mileage. However, the one she rented would have excellent highway mileage, and if not for her NOT WANTING TO STOP in AZ, she would not need gas cans. In high temperatures there are a fire hazard, especially in the trunk of a small car.

MOO

 

[Schuby]

ITA, Schuby, and I'd just add that there's a big difference between providing the best defense possible and suborning perjury. Lots of defense attorneys do the best they can for their clients either knowing or suspecting that they are in fact guilty. In the case of court appointed attorneys, they do not have the luxury of simply refusing to represent them (as witnessed by Nurmi's inability to recuse himself from this case.)

In my view, sometimes people assume that defense attorneys are involved in suborning perjury and engaging in all manner of knowingly illegal acts. Naturally, that's not only reprehensible, it's illegal, and anyone guilty should face prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

We don't need to like the defense theory in any particular case, but taking a step to suggesting that it is a product of deliberate illegality is a whole different story. For my part, I demand proof of any such wrongdoing and will vigorously reject any attempt to claim that such is not necessary to cast dispersion or innuendo on any attorneys working on either side.

Just for the record, and for the umpteenth time, I do not like the defense offered by JA, but I maintain it is her fabrication and the defense strategy is stuck trying to float that lead balloon.

:cow:

My feelings are exactly same. I'm as irritated with them as everyone else if for no other reason than that they take FOREVER to do anything. But when people start talking about suborning perjury, that is where we have to part ways.

 

[verbonica]

I think she was extremely frustrated/angry about her finances...

Her dad took her to the Hertz rental place the day before her arrest...I suppose it was the one in Yreka

She might have wanted to try to match the car parked in Travis's driveway (behind the crime tape) -- a small white 4-door sedan (Travis's?) to blend in, so the neighbors would not be alerted to a different car in the area?

 

[prima.facie]

Not sure if this has been posted. I need to catch up and for some reason was reading backwards o.0


Dr Phil denies bankrolling Jodi Arias' family in exchange for notes on her trial calling claims 'absolutely untrue'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-claims-absolutely-untrue.html#ixzz2PozlwGoG

 

[Wishbone]

Thanks! I do recall those details now, and she was lots more believable on the stand -- though as I recall, there were many who felt that she had managed to pull one over on the jury in that case as well. But, I do remember watching her testimony, and she was pretty compelling -- and there were the kids as well. Her story made a whole lot more sense than the one we've hear from JA (that sounds too silly to even actually say in this instance).

:cow:

Her poor nine year old daughter had to testify that she never saw her father being mean to her mommy. So sad when the kids are called to the stand.

There were also pictures taken of Mary smoking and drinking in a bar while out on bail waiting to go to trial. I do believe there is still a lot of skepticism regarding the verdict and sentence she received. All I can say is she and her defense team did something to sway the jury....not really that sure what it was because I believe she got off pretty easy.

 

[gauntlet]

I'm very very very pleased to announce that at least on this side of the pond, it's

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MONDAY!!!

Juantime

 

[kscornfed]

That reminds me of a comment I believe was on JVM's show last week...or at least one of the HLN programs. The person stated they lived in AZ and always had gas cans with them so as not to run out in the middle of nowhere. That I may have found believable in years past when cars didn't get good mileage. However, the one she rented would have excellent highway mileage, and if not for her NOT WANTING TO STOP in AZ, she would not need gas cans. In high temperatures there are a fire hazard, especially in the trunk of a small car.

MOO

if someone made a habit of carrying ONE gas can, just in case, i could see that. but not 2 and certainly not 3. it's not like she was crossing the sahara desert with no gas stations for several hundred miles. it's just nonsense.

 

[prima.facie]

That reminds me of a comment I believe was on JVM's show last week...or at least one of the HLN programs. The person stated they lived in AZ and always had gas cans with them so as not to run out in the middle of nowhere. That I may have found believable in years past when cars didn't get good mileage. However, the one she rented would have excellent highway mileage, and if not for her NOT WANTING TO STOP in AZ, she would not need gas cans. In high temperatures there are a fire hazard, especially in the trunk of a small car.

MOO

Didn't JM show a map of all the gas stations on her route that kind of debunked the theory of running out of gas and being SOL.