weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #154

[nells]

Omigosh!! That is brilliant!! A Websleuth Network. Wouldn't that be incredible. There are sooooooo many smart people here, it blows my mind.

I really don't understand why a trial watcher show or network wouldn't work. But, I don't really have a head for business. There must be some reason Court TV and InSession were not successful.

Maybe with live streaming, there is no reason for us to watch on TV and sit through all of the commercials.

:bananalama:

I think this is a GREAT idea and I hope the moderators/site owners take a look at it. We already have people who could be "on air" personalities: Tricia, KCL, Katie - Dr. Drew's Juror. Beth Karas could have her own show. The station could re-broadcast old episodes of 48 Hrs., Dateline, 20/20, ID Discovery. JM could have some role. There is a base here who would be loyal to it. Seriously.

 

[Pink Panther]

Umm what? Not following...

Not too difficult to follow. Why would he go to such measures to NOT have his face appear while testifying?

 

[gngr~snap]

I didn't hear the question.
Still not sure what is was.
I am not sure what the juror wanted to know.

Animal face off...
"The bear attempts to steal the tiger's kill. The tiger then attacks the bear, but the bear is able to deflect each strike. The tiger tries to go for the jugular, but fails. The bear gets the big cat on the ground, and moves on, thinking the tiger is finished. However, the tiger jumps up on the bear from behind and latches on with its claws, cutting deep. Despite the tiger's persistent attacks, the bear's thick fur and fat, combined with its enormous girth, are too much for the tiger. The bear finishes the fight by breaking the tiger's back and biting it on the neck, to confirm victory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Face-Off

Travis did kinda look like he had been mauled by a tiger....

The link says a bear will always kill a tiger???

Sooooo....
If this juror sees Travis as "the bear"
they believe he should have been able to kill
her IF he was the aggressor???

IDK~ just a thought

Maybe they has just seen that episode?

 

[TexMex]

I thi k she was every bit as cool, calm and cold as she was in the detective interview. She probably was singing or humming as she staged the scene and removed evidence. That's one psychopathic witch that won't feel fear until they're strapping her down for the needle.


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I was thinking today that like Hannibal Lecter, her heart beat never got above 85. Cold blooded psychopath.

 

[osabung]

It's funny that JW grilled Dr. DeMarte that the 6 signs that indicate if a woman has Battered Women Syndrome is no longer being used by Lenore Walker, the founder of the research. Just for Lenore Walker to go on NG that night and indicate she still uses the 6 signs AND she doesn't believe JA has Battered Woman Syndrome. Is there any chance Lenore Walker could testify for the prosecution?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05A5TcrFDL0
34.00

 

[Ammonitida]

That question was a set up for the following question:

11. Do you think deleting pictures from a camera and then washing that camera is an attempt to remove or destroy evidence?

12. If you had not seen pictures proving that the evidence/photos was recovered, given your knowledge of cameras, would you have viewed this as an effective attempt to destroy evidence?

When taken together, they sound like trick questions. I can't explain why, but they bug me.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

Oh no, I wasn't saying sexual aggression or sadism. I thought you were referencing JA having internal aggression/anger (bottled up) that I speculated may be the source behind her proclivity to stab things and people.

Ahh. I see the confusion. AstroKitty (??) posted that Jodi had piquerism which basically is sexual gratification from piercing or stabbing. My post was asking when that was brought out because I always thought Jodi slashing tires was just predictable stalking crap she read about in a novel or saw on television and her sexuality was just another means to an end given that's the only way she knows how to make human connections with men. Plus it was easy for her to manipulate men using sex.

It never seemed as if there was sexual pleasure for her. It was just machinations.

So when you explained about the aggression, I was convinced I'd missed a really interesting explanation of sexual sadism.

OMG, we just all need to meet up at Starbucks and talk it out. Look at how much we keep missing. lol

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Not too difficult to follow. Why would he go to such measures to NOT have his face appear while testifying?

I didn't reply to you earlier...think we're getting signals mixed.

 

[DairyGirl]

I got this from the Maricopa County site:

BBM


Party Name -
State Of Arizona - (1) Plaintiff N/A Martinez, Juan
Jodi Ann Arias - (2) Defendant F Nurmi, Kirk Stephens CR2008-031021-001

(HA HA just noticed KN is listed as Female :floorlaugh

I think his name is F Kirk Nurmi, if I'm not mistaken

 

[Ransom]

Even after some jurors asked a bunch puzzle questions?

There's an ******** on that jury who will cause at best, a hung jury or at worst an acquittal, unless Juan delivers a smoking gun.

Only the jury questions regarding Dr. Dick S. copying the answers to his test sheet were pro-prosecution. Most of the rest were trick questions.

Others were just plain stupid. Why would anyone ask, "do you consider deleting pictures and washing the camera an attempt to destroy evidence?". Really? Who would even question that? Somebody buying the defense's nonsense? The question, "when Jodi said that no jury will convict me, could that have been due to her BPD?", also appeared to support the defense. A juror leaning toward not guilty looking for an "innocent" explanation for Jodi's television proclamation? That's how I took it.

BBM: NEVER will happen. NEVER. IMO. There is no way on this earth that all 12 will acquit JA. Nope.

Don't agree with any stupid question(s) either. The jury were seeking advice/clarity from a witness they trusted - Janeen Demarte.
JMO

 

[Paintr]

I thi k she was every bit as cool, calm and cold as she was in the detective interview. She probably was singing or humming as she staged the scene and removed evidence. That's one psychopathic witch that won't feel fear until they're strapping her down for the needle.


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That is one scary thought...her humming while walking through that scene. I do hope she never gets the chance to do anything like this again. Next time she would be better at cover up and not getting caught.

 

[Pink Panther]

That question was a set up for the following question:

11. Do you think deleting pictures from a camera and then washing that camera is an attempt to remove or destroy evidence?

12. If you had not seen pictures proving that the evidence/photos was recovered, given your knowledge of cameras, would you have viewed this as an effective attempt to destroy evidence?

There was another question before this two=part question about the camera...

 

[jbaxter68]

I think he has a list of 16 rebuttal witnesses and even if he does not call them all (this is his first one).. at the rate the defense is going and with the question phase I think this could well go way beyond any date projected and I do not see this wrapping up Tuesday at all twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents

I may be wrong, but I think you are confusing 16 rebuttal witnesses with the Sixteenth Rebuttal Witness list from Maricopa County. Here is the link for the docket.


http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

 

[Horace Finklestein]

"She was found...hiding behind a Christmas tree."

 

[KPinMN]

I think I read in a minute entry it was granted, but it would be great if someone confirmed this

I read all the minutes that are published between the date of the motion 4/7/13 and now and I didn't find anything about this in the record.

 

[ClosArgs]

The bear/tiger question bugs the chit out of me. The person who posed it either has an inflated ego or is dumb as chite can be. What was the point? What were they trying to understand? HINKY METRE (Pinellas effect_ for me. Bleh.

I hope that I am wrong or that the person gets eliminated.

For or against the State, there is something not quite right with that question.

moo

I hate to say this in view of how well Doc D did, but I've always thought the psycho evals would be a wash with the jury. Perhaps the juror feels the same and wants to say he/she is depending on the science and common sense to rule the day. Just a thought.

 

[Ransom]

I think his name is F Kirk Nurmi, if I'm not mistaken

No it isn't. It's L. Kirk Nurmi

http://maricopasexcrimes.com/

 

[ElleElle]

Not sure of exact date :what: but early-mid April for sure.

What was the date she actually left AZ?
I was in April 08 right?

 

[snowcat]

Kinda new, ex-LDS also, so there is a bit of perspective going on for me too, live in Arizona and have PTSD...so those are my 'agendas', so to speak:blushing:

:greetings:

I think that makes you a platinum member? :giggle:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think he has a list of 16 rebuttal witnesses and even if he does not call them all (this is his first one).. at the rate the defense is going and with the question phase I think this could well go way beyond any date projected and I do not see this wrapping up Tuesday at all twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents

OMG!!! This trial is going to go FOREVER! The poor jury!