What did she buy at Target and How did she do it?

[chaingangal]

Did Casey think in the days Amy was gone and she was using her checkbook that the money could be replaced before Amy returned from her trip? If so where would this windfall come from? If not was she in a manic mode having a last hurrah? Why sign your own name to the checks if you were going to claim SOD did it? Thoughts going in circles.

 

[Kenziema]

that took major cajones. wonder if she took cash out. I am tempted to call Target and find out their policy on cash back with a check.

I've tried here in PA and was told you cannot get cash back when writing a check.

 

[Brattigirle]

Did Casey think in the days Amy was gone and she was using her checkbook that the money could be replaced before Amy returned from her trip? If so where would this windfall come from? If not was she in a manic mode having a last hurrah? Why sign your own name to the checks if you were going to claim SOD did it? Thoughts going in circles.

I really feel at that point it was her last "hurrah", I think she figured she had nothing to lose.

 

[Balthazar]

If you look at Casey's messages to others, it looks like she was planning on going to California. She had a guy out there she might have been planning on moving in with. Also, many of the escort agencies searched on her computer were in California. Like maybe she was looking for a job for her "new" life out there.

What is strange to me is that Casey could have driven out of the area in either AH or TL's vehicles, with AH's money and then dumped the car in a lake and taken a bus to California or anywhere and no one would have been able to find her. Casey had one week with each of these vehicles where their respective owners were out of town, so she had plenty of time to steal the vehicle if she had wanted to. Her parents would have eventually gotten her car back and thought Casey and Caylee might be dead due to the odor from the trunk. Instead Casey frittered away the $1200 or so in AH's account and stayed in Orlando. Was she REALLY so in love with TL that she couldn't tear herself away from him? Was she too lazy to bother going through with her plan? Was she afraid to leave Orlando because it is the ONLY place she has ever known?

 

[Lisabet]

So, she had to know Amy would find this out, since Amy was coming in from Puerto Rico. How do you explain this to a friend who has been so nice to loan you her car for a week?

This is why I believe Casey had some half-baked plan to disappear, probably to California where she could latch onto that Marine and without her parents realizing Caylee wasn't with her. Remember the "give me one more day" thing?

 

[aafromaa]

KC told parents & LE that she was stealing money from AH's checking account because she was desperate in her search for her daughter. If she had used AH's checks to hire a PI or purchase some type of electronic equipment or even for paid online background checks or something then maybe she could have sold them on that idea but how did she ever expect to convince them that a few hundred dollars worth of food and beer in a few short days was to help her find her daughter? (Not to mention a couple of bras and some other clothes.)

Then she wrote that $250 check for cash at the bank only an hour or so before picking AH up at the airport in AH's car that she had let her use while she was gone! How could she look AH in the face when she picked her up and act like everything was normal? It is no wonder she left AH a facebook message saying she didn't want to see her online that afternoon. I'm sure she was worried AH would look at her checking account and see she'd been cleaned out. (No doubt what was left of this cash was what was found in KC's belongings that LA retrieved from TL's - CA took the cash & wasn't sure how much but LA said he thought it was $160 - $200 based on the number of $20s that he saw.)

She also used AH's account information to attempt a cell phone payment of over $500 but there wasn't enough money left in the account for it to clear. I don't know exactly when she tried to pay it but I believe the transaction was turned down on the 17th so my guess is that it was also shortly before AH returned on the 15th that KC tried to pay that AT&T bill too.

I'd bet that when AH came to TL's door that evening that KC thought it was about the money before she realized CA was also there!

 

[ThoughtElf]

Bump for reading

 

[Hollys G-mom]

Yes but as stated above by Sundance:
"Checks 143 and 144 had CaseyA's name and signature on them and a Florida DL was captured on the back of the checks, which belongs to CaseyA. Along with the checks, receipts, video tape and photos, sworn statements by the cashiers who conducted these transactions were also attached to the report."

BBM: Ok I want to know what cashier took a check drawn on AH account with KC's ID & Signature? If she had tolen them, wouldn't it have been more likely KC would have passed herself off as AH instead? Fake ID, fake signiture? Also who would write a check out to themselves for cash with a stolen check? I know...I know everybody thinks KC is a ditz, and maybe she is...but not that ditzy. I still say AH had given KC permission to use her account, then reniged. Maybe even encouraged it to make KC look bad. ALso someone can give another person permission to do or use something over the phone, so AH being out of town at the time holds no water for me, not to mention how quickly AH turned on KC. It was too soon for her to have figured out her bank accounts and what was missing or stolen.

Didn't I read somewhere that AH and AL had dated briefly before KC & AL hooked up? I remember it because right away I was thinking "whoa!, no wonder AH is so pizzed." Her and JG both slighted by these two, KC & AL.

 

[snow_walker]

I just can't see anyone giving another person their bank acct.. even if you did, it would be useless to them, you can't write cheques or take money out of another persons account. Of course KC did do just that, but that was an amazingly dim error on the part of the person accepting the cheque. You certainly can't expect that to happen very often.

If she had wanted to give KC some money, she would have written her a cheque or taken it out herself and given her the cash.

As for it being too soon for AH to have noted the missing cash, I assume like most of us she returned home from vacation without a whole lot of money left, so one of the first things she would do would be to go try to get some money out of her account...bit of a nasty shock when she did that.

Even if that weren't the case, she would have got the email about 'Caylee has been missing for 31 days' .. if my best friend had lost their baby a month ago, and gone out partying with me, and seen me virtually every day in that month (except of course when I was in PR) but had never once mentioned the missing child, you can be quite sure I would be wondering what on earth has been going on here? Is anything else missing? Let me just check my finances..

On top of all of that, AH had been chatting with CA during the car ride, and found out that many of the things KC had told her were lies.. CA and GA were not moving out and giving KC the house, GA had not been sick, and so forth..I am not sure but I think CA also warned her about KC stealing.. that would send me scurrying over to check my bank acct. (and have most people locking doors and windows and wondering exactly who or what they had been hanging around with for the past several months.)

 

[AZRiverRat]

Watch the raw video...The first Target clerk doesnt even look at her ID, does she?

(Love the music in this clip!)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGxKL8xM1YI"]YouTube - Casey Anthony Surveillance - Report and 8 Mins Raw Footage[/ame]

 

[Jolynna]

Yes but as stated above by Sundance:
"Checks 143 and 144 had CaseyA's name and signature on them and a Florida DL was captured on the back of the checks, which belongs to CaseyA. Along with the checks, receipts, video tape and photos, sworn statements by the cashiers who conducted these transactions were also attached to the report."

BBM: Ok I want to know what cashier took a check drawn on AH account with KC's ID & Signature? If she had tolen them, wouldn't it have been more likely KC would have passed herself off as AH instead? Fake ID, fake signiture? Also who would write a check out to themselves for cash with a stolen check? I know...I know everybody thinks KC is a ditz, and maybe she is...but not that ditzy. I still say AH had given KC permission to use her account, then reniged. Maybe even encouraged it to make KC look bad. ALso someone can give another person permission to do or use something over the phone, so AH being out of town at the time holds no water for me, not to mention how quickly AH turned on KC. It was too soon for her to have figured out her bank accounts and what was missing or stolen.

Didn't I read somewhere that AH and AL had dated briefly before KC & AL hooked up? I remember it because right away I was thinking "whoa!, no wonder AH is so pizzed." Her and JG both slighted by these two, KC & AL.

To my knowledge, AH and AL never dated. AH was friends with RM and lived with him after KC did not come through as a roommate.

As for AH giving KC permission to clean out her bank account, AH just plain did not have that kind of disposable income. I've read the text messages between her and KC over the $400 cash that disappeared the night before KC got her tattoo. Where Amy is fretting and KC is "Awww hon, gosh I'll help you look for your money."

KC is going to have a hard time getting past what jurors will be able to see happening with their very own eyes on video.

IMO

 

[Tuffy]

Yes but as stated above by Sundance:
"Checks 143 and 144 had CaseyA's name and signature on them and a Florida DL was captured on the back of the checks, which belongs to CaseyA. Along with the checks, receipts, video tape and photos, sworn statements by the cashiers who conducted these transactions were also attached to the report."

BBM: Ok I want to know what cashier took a check drawn on AH account with KC's ID & Signature? If she had tolen them, wouldn't it have been more likely KC would have passed herself off as AH instead? Fake ID, fake signiture? Also who would write a check out to themselves for cash with a stolen check? I know...I know everybody thinks KC is a ditz, and maybe she is...but not that ditzy. I still say AH had given KC permission to use her account, then reniged. Maybe even encouraged it to make KC look bad. ALso someone can give another person permission to do or use something over the phone, so AH being out of town at the time holds no water for me, not to mention how quickly AH turned on KC. It was too soon for her to have figured out her bank accounts and what was missing or stolen.

Didn't I read somewhere that AH and AL had dated briefly before KC & AL hooked up? I remember it because right away I was thinking "whoa!, no wonder AH is so pizzed." Her and JG both slighted by these two, KC & AL.

Bolded mine. Why would she encourage it to make KC look bad? I don't get that?

 

[MarleneM]

BBM: Ok I want to know what cashier took a check drawn on AH account with KC's ID & Signature? If she had tolen them, wouldn't it have been more likely KC would have passed herself off as AH instead? Fake ID, fake signiture? Also who would write a check out to themselves for cash with a stolen check? I know...I know everybody thinks KC is a ditz, and maybe she is...but not that ditzy. I still say AH had given KC permission to use her account, then reniged. Maybe even encouraged it to make KC look bad. ALso someone can give another person permission to do or use something over the phone, so AH being out of town at the time holds no water for me, not to mention how quickly AH turned on KC. It was too soon for her to have figured out her bank accounts and what was missing or stolen.

Didn't I read somewhere that AH and AL had dated briefly before KC & AL hooked up? I remember it because right away I was thinking "whoa!, no wonder AH is so pizzed." Her and JG both slighted by these two, KC & AL.

It was "too soon" for Amy to have "figured out" her bank account had been drained by her "friend" KC? KC rips Amy off over a period of 3-4 days, right up until the hours prior to picking Amy up at the airport. Amy never knew all that time what KC had done to her, and your opinion is that it is suspect to you that Amy noticed as "quick" as she did?

Amy's what, 22 or 23 years old? That's the average age of the young people I work with, and if you told me more than 2 of them had $1400 balances in their bank accounts for more than a week, I'd be very surprised. KC depleted all of Amy's money to the point KC couldn't pay her $500+ cell phone bill. So we know Amy's balance fell below $500. Did it occur to you that perhaps the way Amy had to "figure out"she was financially raped by KC was perhaps Amy was denied a charge to her debit card when she returned home?

What leap are you making here to try to say that Amy would lie to LE about allowing KC to "use" her checkbook? Also, how could anyone owe KC anything? She didn't have a j-o-b. Anything she gave to anyone came from Cindy's credit. Yeah, they didn't know that - but how does that make anyone who wasted their time with KC suspect of anything?

Amy, TonE, Ricardo - they had apartments, cars, schools, jobs, close family, LIVES. KC was a wannabe, a poser, a leech, a parasite, a liar, thief, and a murderer. None of her friends made KC do anything she did to them. She made a career out of destroying people all on her own.

 

[VespaElf]

I've tried here in PA and was told you cannot get cash back when writing a check.

"Up North" thatd be true but here in Florida its a TOTALLY different situation.........Ive written checks at Target,Publix(supermarket chain here) & Kinko's and the checks werent mine(my Mothers with her permission!).Sometimes Mom signs them,sometimes not.Kinkos doesnt ask to see my I.D but Publix & Target do HOWEVER they take the checks even though names/address dont match(they record my DL # on the checks but still........).
SOME places down here will let you write a check for "over" but only for $5-20.
The banks will let you cash checks alot easier too.
Its VERY strange as most places up north or heck even NC when I lived there for 7 years dont take checks PERIOD & if they do they want TWO valid forms of i.d etc And theres no way youre getting cash back!
Living down here is the one reason they Casey check thing NEVER surprised me.......its just "how they do" & its VERY easy to get away with ALTHOUGH its just as easy to get caught if you are up to no good!

 

[cecybeans]

IIRC (please don't make me look this up), that in one of either Amy's interviews (or perhaps RM's) - Amy was warned by CA in the car ride home about KC's profligate theiving - it was somethng CA shouted to AL when she came to get her daughter. That evening, after she was dropped off, Amy sent RM down to her car to get her checkbook (I believe it was in the glove box) and immediately went on line to check the balance and of course found out it was pretty much cleaned out.

Since it appears that one of Amy's first activities upon returning home was to go to the mall to pick up the iPhone with one of her friends, she might have noticed her bank account was almost empty sooner if she had tried to make a purchase with her checkbook.

I don't know how Amy handled her finances, but a lot of us just keep checkbooks these days to pay certain bills, and use debit cards for most purchases. If Amy was keeping her cash in her checking account for her bills and had used credit cards for her vacation purchases, she very well might not have found out as early as she did, but it was most certainly due, imo, to the fact that she kept her checkbook in her car for some reason and CA had warned her KC was a major thief.

KC spent a good portion of her time with her friends pretending she was something she wasn't - and I'm sure RM wasn't the only guy who went for an HIV test either after he found out how promiscuous little KC actually was.

Why in heaven's name are we even thinking of questioning sudden caution or paranoia on the part of KC's friends of acquaintances after it became apparent to them that her lying was not simply about making grandiose claims but to cover illegal and fraudulent acts against her friends and family???

 

[YellowSubmarine]

IIRC - The reason AH checked her acct was because CA told her to. Remember CA was very upfront with AH in the car about all KC had done. When they got to TL's, CA told the boys to check their money because KC probably cleaned them out. AH did so as soon as she got home.

Hollys G-mom - I REALLY don't think AH had given permission for KC to use her money at her will. AH seems to be a hard working girl saving her money, WHY ??? would she let someone dispose of hard earned money like that? Besides, it's not the point. What cashier should accept "she said I could use her checks"? Also, NO AH & TL never dated. AH is innocent and victimized in this and should not be thrown under the A-bus!

 

[cecybeans]

"Up North" thatd be true but here in Florida its a TOTALLY different situation.........Ive written checks at Target,Publix(supermarket chain here) & Kinko's and the checks werent mine(my Mothers with her permission!).Sometimes Mom signs them,sometimes not.Kinkos doesnt ask to see my I.D but Publix & Target do HOWEVER they take the checks even though names/address dont match(they record my DL # on the checks but still........).
SOME places down here will let you write a check for "over" but only for $5-20.
The banks will let you cash checks alot easier too.
Its VERY strange as most places up north or heck even NC when I lived there for 7 years dont take checks PERIOD & if they do they want TWO valid forms of i.d etc And theres no way youre getting cash back!
Living down here is the one reason they Casey check thing NEVER surprised me.......its just "how they do" & its VERY easy to get away with ALTHOUGH its just as easy to get caught if you are up to no good!

Very true, I lived in FL 8 years and found it to be much more lax in some cases with checks because many people are either tourists or are snowbirds with a drivers license that does not match a local address. I've also seen them feel easier about giving cash back if both the checking account and the check's endorser are from in-state. However, (and this always cracked me up) they always seemed to care more than some states about how high the check number was for some reason, as if to say that a higher check number equals a more established account, therefore a lesser risk.

FL does have a bit of catching up to do when it comes to the kind of cautionary practices banks and merchants in others states take for granted, but they rely so much on tourism and hospitality to vacationers, I think that they do not want to offend customers from out of state. It's the same with driving; out of state plates and obvious rental cars are sometimes overlooked by LE unless they are just doing something totally dangerous or egregious.

 

[Sundance]

IIRC (please don't make me look this up), that in one of either Amy's interviews (or perhaps RM's)

(Respectfully snipped)

cecybeans, I got you covered. Here you go:


From Amy’s statement dated 7/29/08:
Orange County Sheriff's Office (Case 08-074939)

Date of Statement; 07/29/08 04:30
Offense: Uttering a forged Instrument
Date of Offense; 07/08/08
Subject; Casey M Anthony
Location; 325 N Alafaya Bv, Orlando FL 32828

H*, Amy J. Age 24 DOB: 07/**/84 WF
**** NW 78th Ave, Plantation FL 33322
Phone: ***-***-****
Business Address: **** E Colonial Drive, Orlando, FL

I, Amy H* do hearby voluntarily make the following statement without threat, coercion, offer of benefit or favor by any persons whomsoever.

On July 8th, 2008 I lent Casey Anthony my 1997 Red Toyota Corolla. She had told me that her car was in the shop after she had run out of gas due to a faulty gas gauge for the second time in two weeks. I needed a ride to the airport early that morning so I told her the perfect solution would be for her to drive me to the airport in my car and then she would have a car for the week I was gone.

I have known Casey since New Years Eve. I was away working on a cruise ship for 6 months and when I came back she was a part of our group of friends. She became friends with everyone shortly after I left on the ship. Once I came back she was our friend, so she was my friend.

We became close fast, mainly talking about normal girl things, life, love, family. She has a 2 year old daughter who she spoke of often and whom I loved and looked forward to every time we had together. We were planning on moving in together (all of which was actually a lie and a really long story), so I was lending my car to one of my close girl friends and the girl I was planning on moving in with.

Casey dropped me off at the airport at approx 6:30am and left in my car. She had her own key because I have a very bad problem with locking my keys in my car, all my good friend have one so they can bail me out. I had my own set with me that came with me to Puerto Rico.

I was gone for a week, I used only cash while gone to make sure I didn't spend too much money. I talked to Casey maybe 3 times while I was gone and texted her a few times on top of that (all my texts from that time are already in the possession of the Orange County Sheriff's Department).

She came to pick me up at 2:30pm on July 15th, 2008. She met us (my other traveling companions) at the terminal and then went with us to pick up our bags. We would not all fit in my car with our bags so I drove Casey back to her boyfriend's house near Full Sail and drove back to the airport to pick up the rest of my friends.

We then came back to our place and I left promptly with one of my roommates to go to the Florida Mall to get him an IPhone.

Shortly after I arrived there I was phoned by Cindy Anthony (Casey's mother) who was looking for her daughter. She convinced me that Casey was in trouble and would go to jail if she didn't find her. Cindy had not seen Casey or her granddaughter Caylee in a month, and she told me that she had just gotten Casey's car out of impound that morning where it had been for over two weeks. Those were all contradictory to what Casey had told me. She offered to come out and get me so I could take her to Casey, and I accepted.

On the car ride to retrieve Casey and find her granddaughter I found out a lot about the person I thought I was very good friends with. She told me Casey had been stealing money from her for years and about all the lies she had been telling me and everyone really. They go deep and long, all the important lies have been documented already.

We retrieved a very unhappy Casey and they took me back to where I am staying. Once home I was hanging out with my roommate a bit and then the thought occurred to me that I should check my bank account. I did not know how she could possibly have gotten into my account, but what her mom told me about her hacking into her account over and over mad me want to just have that piece of mind.

I checked and my checking account was at 0.00. There were several checks written while I was gone, I then realized I had left my checkbook in my glove box so I can write checks to church (I tend to forget until halfway there). I knew immediately what had happened.

I called the bank, but their check fraud department is only open in the day (It was probably around 9ish now). Cindy Anthony called me at 11 pm to tell me that Caylee was missing and had been for a month. I told her Casey had emptied my account, which she asked Casey about, and she admitted to the fact that she had in front of her mother and police officers. I called Casey's boyfriend at some point that night (I don't remember If it was before or after Cindy Anthony's call) and he looked through Casey's stuff and found my checkbook.

The next day after getting bounced around a lot on the phone by the bank and filed my report of fraudulent checks and then went to the bank to close the account and open a new one. Some money was credited to me the next day, and the rest was credited to me within 6 days. The bank was very fast acting, which was wonderful since there was all this other stuff going on.

That day I also went to OPO to file my report, I gave them copies of everything the bank was able to give me, which I will be providing to the Sheriff's Department as well.

***END OF STATEMENT***


So there we are, there's how Amy discovered Casey had cleaned her out while she was gone.


To add insult to injury, AFTER Casey picked up Amy from the airport, Casey goes online to pay her $574 past due cell phone bill through an electronic draft on Amy's account. This was denied the next day due to insufficient funds.


This is in the Internet files from Casey's computer - the pages from AT&T were cached - IIRC.

 

[wonders]

It was "too soon" for Amy to have "figured out" her bank account had been drained by her "friend" KC? KC rips Amy off over a period of 3-4 days, right up until the hours prior to picking Amy up at the airport. Amy never knew all that time what KC had done to her, and your opinion is that it is suspect to you that Amy noticed as "quick" as she did?

Amy's what, 22 or 23 years old? That's the average age of the young people I work with, and if you told me more than 2 of them had $1400 balances in their bank accounts for more than a week, I'd be very surprised. KC depleted all of Amy's money to the point KC couldn't pay her $500+ cell phone bill. So we know Amy's balance fell below $500. Did it occur to you that perhaps the way Amy had to "figure out"she was financially raped by KC was perhaps Amy was denied a charge to her debit card when she returned home?

What leap are you making here to try to say that Amy would lie to LE about allowing KC to "use" her checkbook? Also, how could anyone owe KC anything? She didn't have a j-o-b. Anything she gave to anyone came from Cindy's credit. Yeah, they didn't know that - but how does that make anyone who wasted their time with KC suspect of anything?

Amy, TonE, Ricardo - they had apartments, cars, schools, jobs, close family, LIVES. KC was a wannabe, a poser, a leech, a parasite, a liar, thief, and a murderer. None of her friends made KC do anything she did to them. She made a career out of destroying people all on her own.

I totally agree with you. Amy is another victim of Casey's.

 

[wonders]

BBM: Ok I want to know what cashier took a check drawn on AH account with KC's ID & Signature? If she had tolen them, wouldn't it have been more likely KC would have passed herself off as AH instead? Fake ID, fake signiture? Also who would write a check out to themselves for cash with a stolen check? I know...I know everybody thinks KC is a ditz, and maybe she is...but not that ditzy. I still say AH had given KC permission to use her account, then reniged. Maybe even encouraged it to make KC look bad. ALso someone can give another person permission to do or use something over the phone, so AH being out of town at the time holds no water for me, not to mention how quickly AH turned on KC. It was too soon for her to have figured out her bank accounts and what was missing or stolen.

Didn't I read somewhere that AH and AL had dated briefly before KC & AL hooked up? I remember it because right away I was thinking "whoa!, no wonder AH is so pizzed." Her and JG both slighted by these two, KC & AL.

I for one do not believe this at all.