What does Linda Arndt know?

[BOESP]

That is not bias. It is the story of what happened to their lives when their daughter was murdered. I have not bias for them or against them. They just are.

But them writing a book to get their story out, And knowing it is just a book by parents that lost a child is different than LE spouting they know the real story and writing a book about it rather than be public with info.

Two separate things.

Yes, it is bias. They see things through their eyes with their agenda. That's bias.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes, it is bias. They see things through their eyes with their agenda. That's bias.

Where is the bias? The book does not make me feel better or worse for them. It is a book they wrote that does not influence me either way. It is just their version of events.

I would not use it to make a decision on guilt on innocence. It is a story of what happened to them through their eyes. It has no merit.

They see things through their eyes because it is their experience. IThat is not bias. It is just there.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Double standards. That's an interesting viewpoint. I don't find double standards as a credible way to evaluate information.

That is not a double standard. It is holding people that should have higher standards to them. People in LE should not be writing books calling out killers. Not to profit anyway.. I know this is just my opinion, But it matters to me.

 

[Venom]

Double standards. That's an interesting viewpoint. I don't find double standards as a credible way to evaluate information.

:goodpost:
Good point.

 

[renah]

Scarlett,

Id be very interested to know which evidence you DO consider valid-- specifically and pertaining to this case.

TIA.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Scarlett,

Id be very interested to know which evidence you DO consider valid-- specifically and pertaining to this case.

TIA.

That is too hard to list everything. It is not that I discount evidence, I just don't see that it leads the same way as others do. I feel that most of the evidence I have looked at can go either way and if it can then I have to go with the most likely not the long winding speculation unless there is something to back it up.

IT is easy to get lost in the whisper down the lane theorizing.

 

[BOESP]

That is too hard to list everything. It is not that I discount evidence, I just don't see that it leads the same way as others do. I feel that most of the evidence I have looked at can go either way and if it can then I have to go with the most likely not the long winding speculation unless there is something to back it up.

IT is easy to get lost in the whisper down the lane theorizing.

No one asked for evidence proving the Ramseys were either guilty or innocent. Could you just give us (please) some examples of information you are calling evidence? Frankly, I haven't seen you give anything but an argument against opinions that disagree with your beliefs and feelings yet you haven't presented any evidence for your beliefs and feelings.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No one asked for evidence proving the Ramseys were either guilty or innocent. Could you just give us (please) some examples of information you are calling evidence? Frankly, I haven't seen you give anything but an argument against opinions that disagree with your beliefs and feelings yet you haven't presented any evidence for your beliefs and feelings.

I have indeed talked about evidence. I have talked about the fibers, the DNA, The clothing, the knife, The pineapple, The fingerprints, The underwear.

I have talked about a lot of evidence but it seems that those posts are not noticed..

 

[BOESP]

I have indeed talked about evidence. I have talked about the fibers, the DNA, The clothing, the knife, The pineapple, The fingerprints, The underwear.

I have talked about a lot of evidence but it seems that those posts are not noticed..

Thank you. I'm not going to argue the pros and cons about the above but it tells me what you are considering when you so vehemently defend your feelings and beliefs.

To me the pineapple, ransom note and analysis, grand jury true bill, followed by the fibers, DNA, underwear and lack of fingerprints are what are important to me. Secondly, analyzing the videos of the Ramseys (especially the one with Steve Thomas) provide a statistical profile based on behavior. I know you have said you don't believe behavior means anything but to me it does.

Based on your views posted throughout this board, the evidence you see in the above list can no more exonerate the Ramseys than it can condemn them. Have I understood you right on that?

Again, thanks for the response.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I really want to answer you but I just don't have it in me now. I am beat. I did not want to leave you hanging. I will be back tomorrow with a well thought out response.

I appreciate the question and the opportunity to answer..

 

[BOESP]

That is not a double standard. It is holding people that should have higher standards to them. People in LE should not be writing books calling out killers. Not to profit anyway.. I know this is just my opinion, But it matters to me.

So you hold the police to higher standards than John and Patsy Ramsey. Do you really mean that? I truly am at a loss to understand any innocent parent who would not be beating down the door to the police station begging and demanding to offer help in finding their daughter's killer.

Honest, responsible parents might get angry over cops insisting they talk to authorities but truly what innocent parent would refuse when time is of the essence? And justice usually prevails, just like the step-father, Dowaliby, eventually found justice by being exonerated. True, it is a sad case but it does not excuse the Ramseys from talking to authorities with their attorneys present until many months later when any trail would have been cold. The Ramseys failure to do so is just a totally guilt-ridden action in my eyes that showed they cared more about themselves than they cared about their daughter.

Bless Linda Arndt's heart. I hope she excuses us for hijacking her thread.

ETA: I just did a little reading on Dowaliby, which I was only vaguely familiar with. Based on what I read there still seems to be some doubt about who killed his step-daughter. He wasn't exactly exonerated. The decision was overturned on appeal. Just wanted to clear up my original statement about exoneration.

 

[BOESP]

I really want to answer you but I just don't have it in me now. I am beat. I did not want to leave you hanging. I will be back tomorrow with a well thought out response.

I appreciate the question and the opportunity to answer..

No problem. I appreciate you replying.

 

[Darlene733510]

What is really amazing to me is that when the R's wrote their book, and later when JR wrote his, they had the most remarkable memories. They could recall tithe minutest detail of events, often giving accounts of many years ago.

These same people, when questioned, couldn't remember if JB was carried to bed, or if she walked up the stairs. They had no recall of the children eating pineapple, or how the pineapple even got to the house. PR couldn't even recall which shirt JB had on when she was put to bed.
Friends of PR wanted to speak with her about something that was going on and PR refused. She said, that she knew everything, as a Mother, about her child that she needed to know. Perhaps JB told someone about what was being done to her, and the other people were so concerned that they wanted to discuss what was happening. Kids talk, and tell secrets to each other. Perhaps these secrets were overheard by their parents, and they wanted an intervention to put a halt to whatever was going on. Maybe if they were able to speak to PR, JB would be alive today.
We can only hope and pray that someday we will have justice for JB's death.

 

[madeleine]

I can't stop thinking about this...what was so interesting about Larry Mason's notes that they needed to be "lost"?

did you notice how most of the officers, who were basically first hand witnesses (present that day in the house),were undermined and trashed by their superiors?this tells me a lot

this was a cover-up from day one.and it started with Bynum who used to work for AH.calls were probably made and it all started with "treat the suspects as victims".

it was all about JR's connections not necessarily about the money.not only were the ones in charge afraid of his army of lawyers,it was worse,they HELPED cover this ugly crime up.

JR is safe.his accomplice is dead.key notes are "lost".the crime scene wasn't secured on purpose.evidence wasn't and still isn't tested.and there was silly me yesterday hoping that MAYBE this crime will be solved one day....

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Or maybe those officers were not doing their job correctly and failed to follow proper protocol and made it nearly impossible to gather good evidence?

It is amazing the mass amount of people in this conspiracy to protect the Ramseys according to RDI theories.

I think more than JFK, and Area 51 combined.

It could just be these officers were less than stellar about their work and deserved the rebuke.

 

[madeleine]

It is amazing the mass amount of people in this conspiracy to protect the Ramseys according to RDI theories.

it's all documented.read the depositions.but I forgot,you think they are ALL lying.it's YOU who believes it's a conspiracy.against the poor innocent Ramseys.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

it's all documented.read the depositions.but I forgot,you think they are ALL lying.it's YOU who believes it's a conspiracy.against the poor innocent Ramseys.

I don't believe in conspiracies as a rule. I don't think there is one here. I believe the only conspiracy I see is laid out in these forums. What I see is about 10-15 individuals that people seem to think are in cahoots with the Ramseys. Far fetched when applying reason and logic.

 

[Darlene733510]

Of course the crime scene was not handled properly. Evidence, such as the clothes the R's were wearing were never taken to be tested. Sister Pam was allowed into the house to remove items, and she removed box after box. Could she possibly have removed crucial evidence that should have been sent for testing?
The biggest hindrance was AH, and the buck stops at his desk. He made the crucial decisions regarding evidence and witnesses. No matter what the BPD, and it's investigators thought was important, AH made that final decision. He had help from LS, after he prayed with the R's, and decided they were innocent. ML put the frosting on the cake when she exonerated the R's.
It's no wonder that those who worked so hard to seek justice for JB felt that would never happen. Honorable men like ST and JK must have felt that the murder of JB was never solved because of wealth and politics. It seems that is still the way it is today, as there is still no effort to delve into the evidence and put forth the truth to the people who have waited far too long for justice.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Thank you. I'm not going to argue the pros and cons about the above but it tells me what you are considering when you so vehemently defend your feelings and beliefs.

To me the pineapple, ransom note and analysis, grand jury true bill, followed by the fibers, DNA, underwear and lack of fingerprints are what are important to me. Secondly, analyzing the videos of the Ramseys (especially the one with Steve Thomas) provide a statistical profile based on behavior. I know you have said you don't believe behavior means anything but to me it does.

Based on your views posted throughout this board, the evidence you see in the above list can no more exonerate the Ramseys than it can condemn them. Have I understood you right on that?

Again, thanks for the response.

I don't see any big revelations in fibers, underwear, DNA and fingerprint analysis. The lack of fingerprints only means someone could have worn gloves. The finger prints belonging to the family are supposed to be there. The fibers are supposed to be there.

I don't think behavior means much not with the evidence I see. It reminds me of the Aisenbergs. What ever you think happened, There was much made of of The father smiling leaving the house one day. A cop told him a joke and he smiled. But people used that to say he was happy the baby was gone. They were bugged in their home and then those tapes were lied about and brought as reason to charge them. However when a judge listened to the tapes he found the information in the transcripts was lies and just not there.

For me there are pieces of evidence. As I mull them over and research them, I look for the source, and what that means to the case. I look for where the evidence was from, where it was collected.

I see two sides to the evidence and I lean toward the most practical, the one that makes the most sense. Then I try and pick that apart, Does it hold up??

I know that a lot of people think that people who think it may indeed be an intruder are not looking at the evidence or denying it but I am not. I am applying it to the case and seeing how it fits like a giant puzzle.

Getting information can be hard as some places keep it on lock down and that is a shame, But I did recently find alternate sources for transcripts and have been searching articles and then looking for corroboration in documents, and other sources.

I do not make opinions lightly. But I do always start from a place of innocence. Guilt has to be proven to me. I never ever decide on emotion someone is guilty or looks guilty. It needs to be concrete for me, especially when it comes to the brutal murder of a child.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Of course the crime scene was not handled properly. Evidence, such as the clothes the R's were wearing were never taken to be tested. Sister Pam was allowed into the house to remove items, and she removed box after box. Could she possibly have removed crucial evidence that should have been sent for testing?
The biggest hindrance was AH, and the buck stops at his desk. He made the crucial decisions regarding evidence and witnesses. No matter what the BPD, and it's investigators thought was important, AH made that final decision. He had help from LS, after he prayed with the R's, and decided they were innocent. ML put the frosting on the cake when she exonerated the R's.
It's no wonder that those who worked so hard to seek justice for JB felt that would never happen. Honorable men like ST and JK must have felt that the murder of JB was never solved because of wealth and politics. It seems that is still the way it is today, as there is still no effort to delve into the evidence and put forth the truth to the people who have waited far too long for justice.

I don't see how Lou Smit praying with the Ramseys means a thing. Was he praying? Or was he just standing their respecting their moment of prayer? Do we know what he was thinking or feeling in that moment?

He was a great investigator that left the boulder investigation after seeing things that were not adding up. He was asked by the DA's office to come in because he was an incredible investigator.

JB death has not been solved in my opinion because of the myopic view on the case.