What small foreign faction?

[DeeDee249]

Actually, the Christmas holiday is a common time for domestic disputes, and statistics show that suicides are also more likely. The stress of the season may be a factor- festering family disputes, money spent on gifts, the tension between family members meeting each year with the same old issues not resolved, and in the case of suicides, a feeling of loneliness and helplessness. Even the joy of the season can be a factor, when it is not what was expected and the person feels like it should have been more than what was experienced. It's complex. Christmas may not be all happy memories for some people. But for many it is depressing.

 

[Agatha_C]

Holdontoyourhat

Originally Posted by Agatha_C
HOYYT,

Excuse me! Are you saying IDI's theory is working so well, that it isn't wasting tax payers dollars.

Oh yes. Heck it even has the damn DA writing exhoneration letters. IDI is working better than RDI. Dont take my word for it read the news. Oh thats right RDI doesn't 'go by the news'. They're too smart to believe that silly stuff.

UUUUMMMM, Did the DA not say that the R's were not exonerated? Or at least thats what my news told me, but then I'm not reading the Korean news paper. Who needs the News HOTYH, the evidence tells the story. Oh, and was JMK not a waste of tax payers money?

One dime spent on RDI is one dime wasted.

Dimes have to be spent for RDI as well as IDI, I call none of it a waste of money. However, IDI, is a waste of time.

Historically there's a huge expense differential between IDI and RDI, and its never been justified. The case should be open and it should belong to the FBI because local LE has gone nowhere. There are no local leads, and the CODIS DNA isn't matching. There's hints of foreign throughout the crime that are being ignored at the expense of justice for this child.

On this we agree.. The FBI should get this case, remember, they felt it was the parents too. Where's Elliot Ness when you need him? Other then the SFF, mentioned in the RN, whats foreign at the crime scene? Oh, the fibers from JR Israeli shirt? Is that Israels fault or JR's?

Now its time to explore some new facts instead of all those failed RDI fictional plots.

You mean, the Korean theory and JMK weren't fictional?

For example, the ransom note handwriting has peculiar sqaured-off character formations like the 'b' in 'bank'. Thats not fiction, its a fact. Time to explore those. See what I mean?

No HOTYH, I don't see. If a person can lie and we all know the R's have lied about numerous things, why is it beyond the scope of comprehension, that they changed their handwriting? Forgers do it all the time, why couldn't the R's? you know, I bet you could start an argument in an empty house.

I wasted so many years on IDI and one day, I realized, it was as pointless as a trap door on a canoe!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Actually, the Christmas holiday is a common time for domestic disputes, and statistics show that suicides are also more likely. The stress of the season may be a factor- festering family disputes, money spent on gifts, the tension between family members meeting each year with the same old issues not resolved, and in the case of suicides, a feeling of loneliness and helplessness. Even the joy of the season can be a factor, when it is not what was expected and the person feels like it should have been more than what was experienced. It's complex. Christmas may not be all happy memories for some people. But for many it is depressing.

Yikes. None of this is applicable to their family! Why bother bringing it up? Maybe one of those will stick to the wall? Not even one!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Other then the SFF, mentioned in the RN, whats foreign at the crime scene? Oh, the fibers from JR Israeli shirt? Is that Israels fault or JR's?

Other than the SFF, whats foreign? The handwriting, English as a second language as that is who would misspell business, choice of Korea paintbrush over paintbrush of correct lenth. Ransom amount converts to exactly 100 million won. The letter 'f' in 'follow' appears capitalized but has a bizarre ornate, oriental design (I suggest 10x magnification for that one), Victory! is a socialist revolutionary remark according to FBI profiler Clint VanZandt. Fat cat is a derrogatory term for a capitalist boss, a term far more widely used in Europe and Russia than in the US. Attache is a term seldom used in the US. The ransom note author also referenced a disrespect for a country, extending the SFF idea. The garrote strangulation murder is bizarre. Threatening to behead a child is bizarre. An FBI profiler with 35 years experience referred to the whole crime as bizarre. Check bizarre in thesarus: FOREIGN

No HOTYH, I don't see.

It shows. And it shows alot.

 

[Agatha_C]

Oh my Freaking Gosh,

HOTYH, how is NONE of it applicable? Give me a break. Your on the R's payroll aren't you?

All families have stress.. ALLLLLLLL!! All families have tension at some time between family members. All families have domestic disputes. Do you not read the transcripts? The R's had 3-4 trips planned in one week, in fact three of them in one weekend.
If you think that wasn't stressful for a mother, then tie on an apron and come to my house for the Holidays..

You really don't think before you speak do you? So how much do they pay you anyway?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Oh my Freaking Gosh,

HOTYH, how is NONE of it applicable? Give me a break. Your on the R's payroll aren't you?

All families have stress.. ALLLLLLLL!! All families have tension at some time between family members. All families have domestic disputes. Do you not read the transcripts? The R's had 3-4 trips planned in one week, in fact three of them in one weekend.
If you think that wasn't stressful for a mother, then tie on an apron and come to my house for the Holidays..

You really don't think before you speak do you? So how much do they pay you anyway?

I agree that there had to be some stress in the Ramsey household that Christmas due to all the trips they were making. It seems like they were not giving themselves anytime to unwind and just relax. Wasn't JonBenet competing in a pageant in Hawaii in January? I assume that at least Patsy was going. That is a lot of trips within a short amount of time; most people would spread them out throughout the year. The Ramseys might not have had stress regarding monetary issues but I believe the Winter travel definitely could have brought some stress.

Is there anyone that believes that JonBenet was killed by a Ramsey in a premeditated crime and that these trips all play a more sinister role in all of this?

 

[BBB167893]

there's absolutely nothing RDI is ever going to assure me of except lack of justice and wasted time. And more wasted taxpayer money.

That's funny, HOTYH, because to me, that describes IDI to a T.

 

[BBB167893]

Whilst they ponder RDI for more years wasting even more taxpayer money,

Oh, yeah, like you're really doing so hot!

The only ones who have been wasting taxpayer money are your guys and gals like ML. And most of us are SICK of it.

I'm going to check out December 25-26, 1996 as an anniversary...cause I always wondered: why the night of December 25th? Isn't that a bit odd for a domestic dispute? Aren't people usually wiped out?

I don't see it as odd at all.

 

[BBB167893]

HOYYT,

Excuse me! Are you saying IDI's theory is working so well, that it isn't wasting tax payers dollars.

Sure sounds like he is. Which is ridiculous. Three words: John Mark Karr. THAT's how well they're doing!

Sometimes you make me want to jam a red hot poker into my own eye, just for the relief it would bring for my frustration with you.

I know the feeling!

Everything you accuse RDI of can be turned right back on IDI.

And THEN some!

For your information, I would rather my tax dollars be wasted on finding the murderer of a child, then on bailing out the banks and people that bought a lifestyle that they could not afford.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[BBB167893]

Oh yes. Heck it even has the damn DA writing exhoneration letters.

Oh, yeah, 'cause she was really trustworthy and objective! In case you haven't figured it out by now, she would have done that anyway, no matter what. Anything for her friends.

IDI is working better than RDI. Dont take my word for it read the news.

I won't take your word for it, HOTYH, BECAUSE of the news. In case you're not up to speed, there's a NEW DA who doesn't share your optimistic appraisal.

Oh thats right RDI doesn't go by the news.

Not the Ramsey-approved news, anyway.

The case should belong to the FBI because local LE has gone nowhere.

Agreed, 100%! If only the Rs shared your view!

There's hints of foreign throughout the crime that are being ignored at the expense of justice for this child.

There's PLENTY that's been ignored at the expense of justice for this child, HOTYH! That's why most of us are so damn mad! But that ain't one of 'em!

Now its time to explore some new facts instead of all those failed RDI fictional plots.

And which "fictional plots" would those be?

 

[BBB167893]

UUUUMMMM, Did the DA not say that the R's were not exonerated? Or at least thats what my news told me, but then I'm not reading the Korean news paper. Who needs the News HOTYH, the evidence tells the story. Oh, and was JMK not a waste of tax payers money?

Dimes have to be spent for RDI as well as IDI, I call none of it a waste of money. However, IDI, is a waste of time.

On this we agree.. The FBI should get this case, remember, they felt it was the parents too. Where's Elliot Ness when you need him? Other then the SFF, mentioned in the RN, whats foreign at the crime scene? Oh, the fibers from JR Israeli shirt? Is that Israels fault or JR's?

You mean, the Korean theory and JMK weren't fictional?

No HOTYH, I don't see. If a person can lie and we all know the R's have lied about numerous things, why is it beyond the scope of comprehension, that they changed their handwriting? Forgers do it all the time, why couldn't the R's? you know, I bet you could start an argument in an empty house.

I wasted so many years on IDI and one day, I realized, it was as pointless as a trap door on a canoe!

That's hitting where it hurts, Agatha. I love it!

 

[BBB167893]

Yikes. None of this is applicable to their family!

Are you kidding? On what do you base that assertion?

 

[DeeDee249]

Whilst they ponder RDI for more years wasting even more taxpayer money, I'm going to check out December 25-26, 1996 as an anniversary...cause I always wondered: why the night of December 25th? Isn't that a bit odd for a domestic dispute? Aren't people usually wiped out?

Actually, YOU were the one who brought it up, remember?

 

[DeeDee249]

I agree that there had to be some stress in the Ramsey household that Christmas due to all the trips they were making. It seems like they were not giving themselves anytime to unwind and just relax. Wasn't JonBenet competing in a pageant in Hawaii in January? I assume that at least Patsy was going. That is a lot of trips within a short amount of time; most people would spread them out throughout the year. The Ramseys might not have had stress regarding monetary issues but I believe the Winter travel definitely could have brought some stress.

Is there anyone that believes that JonBenet was killed by a Ramsey in a premeditated crime and that these trips all play a more sinister role in all of this?

I am sure SOME believe this, but not many. Not me. Not premeditated, no way. And the trips had nothing to do with it.

 

[Toltec]

According to John, Patsy did not want to go to Charlevoix because she said it was a bit too much time to squeeze that in before their Disney trip. John also said she finally gave in when the children became excited about the trip.

What woman would not be stressed out packing for three trips? Charlevoix, Disney, pageant. It was winter and heaven knows what a hard time she had looking for summer clothes for her and the two kids. She also had not finished wrapping Christmas gifts and she was downstairs in the laundry area wrapping them Christmas nite.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

According to John, Patsy did not want to go to Charlevoix because she said it was a bit too much time to squeeze that in before their Disney trip. John also said she finally gave in when the children became excited about the trip.

What woman would not be stressed out packing for three trips? Charlevoix, Disney, pageant. It was winter and heaven knows what a hard time she had looking for summer clothes for her and the two kids. She also had not finished wrapping Christmas gifts and she was downstairs in the laundry area wrapping them Christmas nite.

Stress? So what?


Who Says Stress Is Bad For You?

It can be, but it can be good for you, too—a fact scientists tend to ignore and regular folks don't appreciate.


Sure, stress can be bad for you, especially if you react to it with anger or depression or by downing five glasses of Scotch. But what's often overlooked is a common-sense counterpoint: in some circumstances, it can be good for you, too. It's right there in basic-psychology textbooks. As Spencer Rathus puts it in "Psychology: Concepts and Connections," "some stress is healthy and necessary to keep us alert and occupied."

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/02/13/who-says-stress-is-bad-for-you.html






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1. Is JR angry?
2. Is PR angry?
3. Is JR depressed?
4. Is PR depressed?
5. Are either JR or PR alcoholics?

If RDI can provide no proof of even one of these five things then your argument is not relevant.

 

[DeeDee249]

Stress? So what?


Who Says Stress Is Bad For You?

It can be, but it can be good for you, too—a fact scientists tend to ignore and regular folks don't appreciate.


Sure, stress can be bad for you, especially if you react to it with anger or depression or by downing five glasses of Scotch. But what's often overlooked is a common-sense counterpoint: in some circumstances, it can be good for you, too. It's right there in basic-psychology textbooks. As Spencer Rathus puts it in "Psychology: Concepts and Connections," "some stress is healthy and necessary to keep us alert and occupied."

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/02/13/who-says-stress-is-bad-for-you.html






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1. Is JR angry?
2. Is PR angry?
3. Is JR depressed?
4. Is PR depressed?
5. Are either JR or PR alcoholics?

If RDI can provide no proof of even one of these five things then your argument is not relevant.

We don't know that they are or are NOT any of the above. Stress can be fine for a healthy mind and body, but for others, enough to provoke an unexpectedly violent reaction. We CANNOT simply dismiss any medications Patsy was taking, prescription or even over-the-counter sleep aids. I see commercials for them, and one I saw last night said that aggression and violent behavior are among the possible side effects. Patsy may have been on something like that, and I don't think anyone here, IDI or RDI, can say for sure or that she did not experience these types of mood swings. Actually, it sounds exactly like the temper flares she was known to have.
Does everyone taking these kinds of meds kill their child? Of course not. Do SOME? Sure, possibly. Have ANY of them? Probably.
And alcohol greatly enhances these side effects. Patsy may not have been an alcoholic (then again, we don't know, do we?) but even a glass or two of wine at the White's could have been enough. If Patsy came home that night and took anything to help her get a sound night's sleep (with the early flight the next morning), then got into an altercation with JB, well- it could have happened just that way.

 

[Agatha_C]

HOTYH,

Let me tell you something about, "High stress and anxiety levels". There not allowed in Foster parents, for which we are evaluated. So, your position on this is uninformed. It can and does have a negative impact on all family members. If I go on prozac, guess what? I lose my babies, for the very reason that it is unhealthy..

You implied that I know nothing, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. From where I stand, you need more schoolin Hun......

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

HOTYH,

Let me tell you something about, "High stress and anxiety levels". There not allowed in Foster parents, for which we are evaluated. So, I your position on this is uninformed. It can and does have a negative impact on all family members. If I go on prozac, guess what? I lose my babies, for the very reason that it is unhealthy..

You implied that I know nothing, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. From where I stand, you need more schoolin Hun......

my bold

Unintelligible. You on prozac is not relevant to JR, PR, or JBR.

Who says high stress and anxiety existed within PR or JR, or whether high stress or anxiety even had a role in JBR's murder? You're running away with yourself.

 

[Agatha_C]

Stress does not an alcoholic make, do you research anything? Or do you just poop on the screen and pretend it doesn't stink. Alcohol and drugs are just some of the factors for some of the people, not everyone