Who molested/abused Jonbenet?

[Linda7NJ]

Why is it that the Boulder police do not want to even consider a fresh option for this case? Testa even made it a point to say the case would not go anywhere. This would be a great opportunity for a fresh chief to made a stellar impact on his career, especially since Testa just plans to hold this position until he can retire. What a legacy he could leave for himself.

The news of the GJ true bills should be reason enough for a chief to seek or accept any outside help available in order to look with a "fresh aspect" towards the possibility of a prosecution, especially with Kolar having stated in his book that he has prepared a complete theory that leads him to believe the case could still be prosecuted. IIRC, there was once a group of retired investigative specialists who offered their help pro-bono to the BPD, and it was poo-pood too. Maybe some of them would still be willing?

I just don't understand what keeps LE in Boulder from untying their own hands.

IMO law enforcement, detectives and like are far more confident in the evidence than a prosecutor is.


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[midwest mama]

IMO law enforcement, detectives and like are far more confident in the evidence than a prosecutor is.


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Agree. Since Garnett is leaving the cold case in the hands of BPD, it will take someone from that department putting something of substance in front of him before he can consider charges. Garnett's office has established the desire to solve cold cases, but with the Ramsey case being continually sat upon, there won't even be a starting point for a prosecution.

 

[bettybaby00]

Why is it that the Boulder police do not want to even consider a fresh option for this case? Testa even made it a point to say the case would not go anywhere. This would be a great opportunity for a fresh chief to made a stellar impact on his career, especially since Testa just plans to hold this position until he can retire. What a legacy he could leave for himself.

The news of the GJ true bills should be reason enough for a chief to seek or accept any outside help available in order to look with a "fresh aspect" towards the possibility of a prosecution, especially with Kolar having stated in his book that he has prepared a complete theory that leads him to believe the case could still be prosecuted. IIRC, there was once a group of retired investigative specialists who offered their help pro-bono to the BPD, and it was poo-pood too. Maybe some of them would still be willing?

I just don't understand what keeps LE in Boulder from untying their own hands.

BBM

It's crazy that this was the sentiment so quickly expressed after he took over.

Makes me think of the show "cold case," when the main character states that cold cases are more important b/c "they've been waiting longer."

 

[Frigga]

JonBenet deserved so much more- from everyone.

 

[BBB167893]

I've wondered if revealing what went wrong (and why) would cause too much personal (and possibly legal) damage

I've often said that a lot of the participants in this case acted as though they had something to hide.

Put it this way: we all know the official story of Richard Nixon's resignation, that he gave up rather than let the office of President be tarnished even more. But there are people, including some I know, who think Nixon was afraid that an investigation would turn up something even worse. Well, I can't help but wonder the same thing here.

 

[THE BUNK]

JonBenet deserved so much more- from everyone.

100% agree. That's the true tragedy in this case. This poor little girl has been denied justice for so long.
Someone needs to answer for this murder. Appearances be damned!

 

[UKGuy]

I've often said that a lot of the participants in this case acted as though they had something to hide.

Put it this way: we all know the official story of Richard Nixon's resignation, that he gave up rather than let the office of President be tarnished even more. But there are people, including some I know, who think Nixon was afraid that an investigation would turn up something even worse. Well, I can't help but wonder the same thing here.

SuperDave,
I reckon you are correct here. Patently they would have to reveal all the sweetheart deals between the DA's office and the R's and account for the failure to chase down the evidence, e.g. phone call data & JonBenet's medical records. Due to LE politics this will not happen?



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[lawstudent]

I was just watching an update on the David Cam case - not sure if people here are familiar with it, but there's so much overlap I feel like it was probably discussed. He is the man accused of killing his wife and children in collusion with some sort of accomplice but the whole scenario is weird. He was convicted twice despite a bunch of witnesses claiming he was at a basketball game during the murders, but there was some evidence he could have left and returned without being noticed. They later found out another guy was involved but can't quite establish the connection - David Cam has been acquitted, but it's controversial for many reasons. Anyway, the young daughter was shown to have evidence of sexual contact and it was implied maybe he had been molesting her and that led to the murders. I get the sense they mean it was both chronic and acute like in this case, and he claims no way was she being molested. Now the other guy's touch DNA has been found all over the crime scene, including in the child's underwear, but it was such a strange crime scene and what his motive would have been or what exactly happened is unclear. He claims he did nothing but give the gun and was framed. It's just interesting to see the same issues.

ETA: I think the touch DNA may have been in the wife's underwear, but it was all over all of the victims and he claims he wasn't involved. Strange.

 

[BBB167893]

SuperDave,
I reckon you are correct here. Patently they would have to reveal all the sweetheart deals between the DA's office and the R's and account for the failure to chase down the evidence, e.g. phone call data & JonBenet's medical records. Due to LE politics this will not happen?

BBM I think you just nailed it.

Some years ago, I had an argument (in the intellectual sense) with someone--don't remember the name--who wanted a Grand Jury to investigate the police department for misconduct in this case. I said, "why stop there? Let's have them investigate Lou Smit, the Haddon Law Firm, the Boulder DA's office and Lin Wood while they're at it?"

The subject was QUICKLY dropped, for obvious reasons. But I'll tell you now: if I had the power to do it, that's exactly what I would do! I'd put them through the wringer. And the things I'd squeeze out...

 

[WhereAreTheyNow]

SuperDave,
I reckon you are correct here. Patently they would have to reveal all the sweetheart deals between the DA's office and the R's and account for the failure to chase down the evidence, e.g. phone call data & JonBenet's medical records. Due to LE politics this will not happen?

What phone data was ultimately not chased down?

S. Thomas stated that the phone company couldn't provide information regarding local calls made to or from the landline prior to the trap setup on the 26th.

Is it likely that JBR's medical records contain anything pertinent beyond what the doctor told the grand jury?

 

[Tawny]

BBM I think you just nailed it.

Some years ago, I had an argument (in the intellectual sense) with someone--don't remember the name--who wanted a Grand Jury to investigate the police department for misconduct in this case. I said, "why stop there? Let's have them investigate Lou Smit, the Haddon Law Firm, the Boulder DA's office and Lin Wood while they're at it?"

The subject was QUICKLY dropped, for obvious reasons. But I'll tell you now: if I had the power to do it, that's exactly what I would do! I'd put them through the wringer. And the things I'd squeeze out...

I would pay money to see that happen.

 

[reedus23]

SuperDave,
I reckon you are correct here. Patently they would have to reveal all the sweetheart deals between the DA's office and the R's and account for the failure to chase down the evidence, e.g. phone call data & JonBenet's medical records. Due to LE politics this will not happen?

I have been searching for any deals made with the R's. Can you point me to where I can read about these deals?

 

[BBB167893]

I would pay money to see that happen.

Well, if anybody's stupid enough to sue me...

 

[chlban]

I've often said that a lot of the participants in this case acted as though they had something to hide.

Put it this way: we all know the official story of Richard Nixon's resignation, that he gave up rather than let the office of President be tarnished even more. But there are people, including some I know, who think Nixon was afraid that an investigation would turn up something even worse. Well, I can't help but wonder the same thing here.

Count me in as one who has always believed Nixon resigned for fear of what was coming, not out of any concern for the office. it is Nixon we
are talking about.

In this case I do recall reading in PMPT about Hunter trying to get Jeff Shapiro to dig up dirt on Eller and even providing him with some information that Hunter thought was interesting. Maybe the idea was not originally his.

 

[GoBrewers]

I voted JAR, but it should be stated if it was BR, he learned it somewhere. I'd be interested to see how much time BR spends with JAR now days.

 

[chlban]

I was just watching an update on the David Cam case - not sure if people here are familiar with it, but there's so much overlap I feel like it was probably discussed. He is the man accused of killing his wife and children in collusion with some sort of accomplice but the whole scenario is weird. He was convicted twice despite a bunch of witnesses claiming he was at a basketball game during the murders, but there was some evidence he could have left and returned without being noticed. They later found out another guy was involved but can't quite establish the connection - David Cam has been acquitted, but it's controversial for many reasons. Anyway, the young daughter was shown to have evidence of sexual contact and it was implied maybe he had been molesting her and that led to the murders. I get the sense they mean it was both chronic and acute like in this case, and he claims no way was she being molested. Now the other guy's touch DNA has been found all over the crime scene, including in the child's underwear, but it was such a strange crime scene and what his motive would have been or what exactly happened is unclear. He claims he did nothing but give the gun and was framed. It's just interesting to see the same issues.

ETA: I think the touch DNA may have been in the wife's underwear, but it was all over all of the victims and he claims he wasn't involved. Strange.

I am very familiar with the case and I have always believed him guilty. I still do, I am 100% convinced of it. However, I guess I am a bit slower to always jump on the abuse bandwagon. I am not convinced in the Ramsey case (of chronic abuse, and I think the abuse that night was staged) . I am also not convinced in the Camm case.

Even way back in the Jeffrey MacDonald case the inmates Father in Law suggested that as a possible motive in those murders. As much as I think the inmate is one of the more despicable pieces of human garbage to have ever breathed, I really don't buy that in his case either.

 

[BBB167893]

Count me in as one who has always believed Nixon resigned for fear of what was coming, not out of any concern for the office. it is Nixon we
are talking about.

In this case I do recall reading in PMPT about Hunter trying to get Jeff Shapiro to dig up dirt on Eller and even providing him with some information that Hunter thought was interesting. Maybe the idea was not originally his.

It wouldn't even necessarily have to be something Hunter did in THIS case. Just something he'd done that he wouldn't want the governor's office to know.

 

[THE BUNK]

It wouldn't even necessarily have to be something Hunter did in THIS case. Just something he'd done that he wouldn't want the governor's office to know.

John Ramsey had something damaging on Hunter in regards to another case? Heck I guess it could be something as simple as infidelity and Hunter would be interested. Perhaps those P.I.'s and lawyers for the Ramsey's did some digging and came up with dirt on him.

 

[Teresa]

I voted JAR, but it should be stated if it was BR, he learned it somewhere. I'd be interested to see how much time BR spends with JAR now days.

I totally agree with you.

 

[BBB167893]

John Ramsey had something damaging on Hunter in regards to another case? Heck I guess it could be something as simple as infidelity and Hunter would be interested. Perhaps those P.I.'s and lawyers for the Ramsey's did some digging and came up with dirt on him.

BBM. That's possible. We know what busy beavers they were. Then again, the fear that they might dig up something might have been enough.