all out of the blue?hm,seems an entire panel of doctors disagree with you,JB was previously abused/molested.
Go for it, maddy!
all out of the blue?hm,seems an entire panel of doctors disagree with you,JB was previously abused/molested.
No evidence of an intruder so that leaves only the three people KNOWN to be in the house the night JonBenet died -- Burke, Patsy and John.
and where exactly did I say all these things?
seems like you picked a line from one scenario,another line from another scenario and you make it sound like we all believe something that isn't supported by any evidence at all.
how does someone accidentally garrote someone anyway?
where does it say she was assaulted with the paintbrush?Meyer said digital penetration,the splinters could have ended up in her vagina through transfer,the one who broke the brush touched JB.
all out of the blue?hm,seems an entire panel of doctors disagree with you,JB was previously abused/molested.
No evidence of an intruder
Really? No evidence. At all.
so that leaves only the three people KNOWN to be in the house the night JonBenet died -- Burke, Patsy and John.
And you crudely defined people's theories. The 'ligature' was most certainly no accident -- people such as myself who believe it was an EA device or those who think it was staging still agree that it was applied deliberately but with a different purpose intended in its use.
All the evidence does implicate the parents though - no-one has to "try" to make it fit. Most handwriting experts think Patsy wrote the ransom note -- why would an 'innocent' women write a ransom note?
Again..... Most Handwriting EXPERTS? Names please.
No BPD-Hired Experts Identified Patsy as RN Author. "During the investigation, the Boulder Police Department and Boulder County District Attorney's Office consulted at least six handwriting experts. (SMF P 191; PSMF P 191.) All of these experts consulted the original Ransom Note and original handwriting exemplars from Mrs. Ramsey. (SMF P 205; PSMF P 205.) Four of these experts were hired by the police and two were hired by defendants. (SMF P 191; PSMF P 191.) None of the six consulted experts identified Mrs. Ramsey as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF P 195; PSMF P 195.) [Emphasis added.]
Fibres from Patsy's red top she was wearing on the 25th December were found on the duct tape placed on JonBenet's mouth? How did they get there?
Fibres are everywhere , they Adhere they Transfer, scenes can easilly be contaminated.4.Internet poster Bill Salisbury has asserted: "Lin Wood is on record as saying he checked out that Bruce Levin allegation about a black fiber from John's shirt in JonBenet's crotch area. Lin Wood has said he knows for a fact that the Bruce Levin allegation is completely untrue. I believe Lin Wood about that. I don't think Lin Wood would say that if he didn't believe what he was saying and that his credibility could be questioned in court. I reckon Lin Wood has seen the forensic report about the black fiber matter and knows Bruce Levin was fabricating that evidence."
Sources Ruled Out
"Earlier in the case, the police had thought the fibers from the body came from John Ramseys bathrobe or Patsys black pants or from the blanket found near JonBenét or from the blanket that had been found inside the suitcase under the broken basement window. The fibers might also have come from JonBenéts own clothes or from one of her stuffed animals. By now, however, all of those possibilities had been excluded [emphasis added], and the only logical explanation was that the fibers came from whatever had been used to wipe JonBenét or possibly from someone who might have rubbed up against her when she was unclothed, which allowed fibers to find their way along her skin and eventually into the folds of her labia. In any event, the clothes worn by Patsy and John on Christmas would have to be compared with the fibers" (Schiller 1999a:563; quote and source provided by Internet poster
The list goes on and on. But most people, either those that believe the asphyxiation came first or the the head-blow preceded it, both agree that evidence is not shortcoming in implicating parental guilt and involvement and way you dice and slice it!
An entire panel of doctors who did not perform the Áutopsy.
no,but them not being present doesn't make them stupid nor unprofessional.
maybe they've seen the photos and the autopsy report.
how many experts don't take the stand in each trial and didn't attend the autopsy,doesn't make them less credible.
if we're talking about an ERODED hymen of a 6years old....do you really need pictures or to be present to see it with your own eyes in order figure it out?
if the autopsy report says there were OLD scars down there....do you really need someone who was present to translate it to you?
I never suggested they were stupid, however photographs do not and can not take the place of actually being present at an Autopsy, End of.
JB may have had an eroded Hymen for many reasons, sexual abuse is only one POSSIBILITY, this is why meyer erred on the side of caution her knew he could not say with any certainty there was prior sexual abuse.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
I never suggested they were stupid, however photographs do not and can not take the place of actually being present at an Autopsy, End of.
JB may have had an eroded Hymen for many reasons, sexual abuse is only one POSSIBILITY, this is why meyer erred on the side of caution her knew he could not say with any certainty there was prior sexual abuse.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
I never suggested they were stupid, however photographs do not and can not take the place of actually being present at an Autopsy, End of.
JB may have had an eroded Hymen for many reasons, sexual abuse is only one POSSIBILITY, this is why meyer erred on the side of caution her knew he could not say with any certainty there was prior sexual abuse.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
btw,didn't Meyer say he had more but didn't write it down because he saves it for the trial?I know I read this somewhere and even posted it a while ago.
Meyer makes it sound like it's not something important,IMO it's crucial.....he basically made sure we don't have neither COD(what came first will always be an issue and could change everything) nor TOD,without this two this case is a mess.What case isn't.....
Look at what happens in the Anthony case,I read Spitz is gonna testify on behalf of Casey,he's gonna say,hey,you got no COD,how do you know it wasn't an accident?And he's kinda right,don't you think?
ETA:
"The medical examiner and the police (in Orlando, Fla.) determined that the cause of death was undeterminable and the manner of death was homicide," Dr. Werner Spitz of Grosse Pointe Shores told The Detroit News.
"If you don't know what she died of, how do you know it was a homicide?"
http://detnews.com/article/20110616/METRO/106160385/1409/rss36
Hypoxia (medical), a pathological condition in which the body as a whole or region of the body is deprived of adequate oxygen supply.
madeleine,
Although I like to debate what came first head injury or strangulation etc. In a sense they do not matter,
One question an compotent prosecutor would put to Coroner Meyer might be: In your estimation, did two different people molest JonBenet, that is one prior to the night of her death, and another on the night of her death? .
maybe in court or in theory it wouldn't matter much but to me it does because in my opinion strangulation first tells me it was either premeditation ,sex game gone wrong or BDI (aggressive playing,domination) and the head bash was meant to finish her off or shut her up (she was screaming)
head bash first makes me think of other theories
so to me it's very important which came first and I think it would be very helpful for a prosecutor as well when building the case
very interesting.IMO this could also be a defence question,to raise reasonable doubt...you can't prove that whoever molested her the day before or so was the same person who assaulted her the night of the murder
even IF it's not likely there were 2 different persons,IMO it's not possible at all,I mean how unlucky was this little girl,2 different abusers.....
the thing is,even if it's not likely,in a defence lawyers mind it's always "possible" as long as it raises reasonable doubt.......
Yes I do agree.maybe in court or in theory it wouldn't matter much but to me it does because in my opinion strangulation first tells me it was either premeditation ,sex game gone wrong or BDI (aggressive playing,domination) and the head bash was meant to finish her off or shut her up (she was screaming)
head bash first makes me think of other theories
so to me it's very important which came first and I think it would be very helpful for a prosecutor as well when building the case
I guess thats why its a good question to ask Meyer. He would have to address the chronic and acute abuse.very interesting.IMO this could also be a defence question,to raise reasonable doubt...you can't prove that whoever molested her the day before or so was the same person who assaulted her the night of the murder
even IF it's not likely there were 2 different persons,IMO it's not possible at all,I mean how unlucky was this little girl,2 different abusers.....
the thing is,even if it's not likely,in a defence lawyers mind it's always "possible" as long as it raises reasonable doubt.......
madeleine,
I guess thats why its a good question to ask Meyer. He would have to address the chronic and acute abuse.
Something I forgot were all the other ancilliary injuries inflicted upon JonBenet, e.g. those unexplained bruises etc. Just wonder what Coroner Meyer's interpretation would be here?
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Too bad Mayer didn't address it himself. I think this was not an oversight. He's retired now. I wonder if this case ever came to trial, would he be compelled to testify?
No, he's not right in the Casey Anthony case- it was NO accident that Casey murdered her by suffocation-clearly, it wasn't suicide , but we're not here to discuss that case!Meyer makes it sound like it's not something important,IMO it's crucial.....he basically made sure we don't have neither COD(what came first will always be an issue and could change everything) nor TOD,without this two this case is a mess.What case isn't.....
Look at what happens in the Anthony case,I read Spitz is gonna testify on behalf of Casey,he's gonna say,hey,you got no COD,how do you know it wasn't an accident?And he's kinda right,don't you think?
ETA:
"The medical examiner and the police (in Orlando, Fla.) determined that the cause of death was undeterminable and the manner of death was homicide," Dr. Werner Spitz of Grosse Pointe Shores told The Detroit News.
"If you don't know what she died of, how do you know it was a homicide?"
http://detnews.com/article/20110616/METRO/106160385/1409/rss36