Why would the Ramseys need to stage?

[BBB167893]

The sweater that she happened to be wearing that night? The sweater that she said she never wore while painting? Why were there no other fibres in that tray? You sound like someone that has chosen a side for no apparent reason and is sticking to it despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Aw, you beat me to it!

 

[Springrain]

There should be an "All of Above" button. I think BDI and they were unaware of the laws protecting 9-year-olds in CO (Choice 1), I think they feared what relatives would think/how they look down on the family (Choice 2) Total fear of losing status (Choice 3) Patsy wanted to make JBR the perfect pageant girl that died on Christmas (Choice 4) and Patsy realizing that she couldn't lose her babies along with her life due to cancer (Choice 5). Just MOO of course.

 

[James Kenney]

Simply to point away to an unknown person/s. That's what the ransom note was all about.

 

[UKGuy]

Simply to point away to an unknown person/s. That's what the ransom note was all about.

James Kenney,

Nope, an unknown person would be implicit in say JonBenet found dead and violated in her bedroom.

The RN masks the moving of JonBenet from upstairs to downstairs, thats its rationale. Consider the actual minimal staging of JonBenet, i.e. no real attempt to say she died from this or that, just that it did not happen upstairs, get that?

The RN is all flim flam, a bit like the Orson Welles Christmas Ball, allowing the scene shift, the RN plays a similar role, coercing the onlookers to view the crime-scene differently!

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[icedtea4me]

James Kenney,

Nope, an unknown person would be implicit in say JonBenet found dead and violated in her bedroom.

The RN masks the moving of JonBenet from upstairs to downstairs, thats its rationale. Consider the actual minimal staging of JonBenet, i.e. no real attempt to say she died from this or that, just that it did not happen upstairs, get that?

The RN is all flim flam, a bit like the Orson Welles Christmas Ball, allowing the scene shift, the RN plays a similar role, coercing the onlookers to view the crime-scene differently!

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I suppose it would be if you read it using the left side of your brain.

 

[UKGuy]

I suppose it would be if you read it using the left side of your brain.

icedtea4me,
Yup I guess so thats where they say language processing takes place. The RN is part of the staging, it was not authored by an intruder, so its purpose is transparent, i.e. not to leave JonBenet where she was initially assaulted, otherwise she would have been relocated from the house, simples!

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[andreww]

James Kenney,

Nope, an unknown person would be implicit in say JonBenet found dead and violated in her bedroom.

The RN masks the moving of JonBenet from upstairs to downstairs, thats its rationale. Consider the actual minimal staging of JonBenet, i.e. no real attempt to say she died from this or that, just that it did not happen upstairs, get that?

The RN is all flim flam, a bit like the Orson Welles Christmas Ball, allowing the scene shift, the RN plays a similar role, coercing the onlookers to view the crime-scene differently!

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Although I agree with you, I believe James Kenney was also correct. The RN did widen the focus from the three of them to just about anybody on the planet. It was the device that gave LE the idea that this crime may not have happened in a closed environment. It was the one piece of evidence that came from the outside world. That is until they found that it didn't.


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[Juniorsleuther]

I suppose it would be if you read it using the left side of your brain.[/QUOTE. Good one !! I was just thinking perhaps with the claims from the house keeper that PR was ambedextrous. I am not a expert!! Did law enforcement get her to write with her left hand as well?

 

[BBB167893]

I suppose it would be if you read it using the left side of your brain.[/QUOTE. Good one !! I was just thinking perhaps with the claims from the house keeper that PR was ambedextrous. I am not a expert!! Did law enforcement get her to write with her left hand as well?

I think they did ONCE. But even then, she could have phonied up her left-hand writing to look worse than it actually was.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Just thinking loudly.. The R at one point went on with the theory that maybe the intruder was someone JB knew and she went downstairs with her own will. (Without a tape on her mouth) .Then the R also concocted the RN to imply as if written by someone from their circle. That makes me think that their staging that night comprised a theory of whole assault happened in the basement including the tape and the rope.

AFAIK the tape on JB's mouth was very loose and didn't serve any purpose .. That definitely indicates to me that JB screamed that night and R used the tape to be able to say she couldn't even scream and so they didn't wake up in case somebody came up with hearing the screams ..
Then followed the hand binding otherwise she could pull off the tape with free hands .and then with the remaining rope came the strangulation...

My conclusion . There must be a logical reason for that useless tape downstairs. I'm thinking that the hit to the head possibily might have happened in the second floor.. Cause if it had happenened in the basement , no need for the tape.. they could very well claim that it was 4 floors down and impossible to hear behind close doors and no need for binding she was already unconcious from head crash ..

Don't know if this makes sense though lol

 

[andreww]

Just thinking loudly.. The R at one point went on with the theory that maybe the intruder was someone JB knew and she went downstairs with her own will. (Without a tape on her mouth) .Then the R also concocted the RN to imply as if written by someone from their circle. That makes me think that their staging that night comprised a theory of whole assault happened in the basement including the tape and the rope.

AFAIK the tape on JB's mouth was very loose and didn't serve any purpose .. That definitely indicates to me that JB screamed that night and R used the tape to be able to say she couldn't even scream and so they didn't wake up in case somebody came up with hearing the screams ..
Then followed the hand binding otherwise she could pull off the tape with free hands .and then with the remaining rope came the strangulation...

My conclusion . There must be a logical reason for that useless tape downstairs. I'm thinking that the hit to the head possibily might have happened in the second floor.. Cause if it had happenened in the basement , no need for the tape.. they could very well claim that it was 4 floors down and impossible to hear behind close doors and no need for binding she was already unconcious from head crash ..

Don't know if this makes sense though lol

Nope, none of it makes sense. The tape is simply staging. The loosely tied hands are staging. And the ransom note is obviously staging. The fact that the Ramseys failed to heed the warnings on the ransom note and the fact that the 10:00 AM deadline came and went with notice from either John or Patsy shows they were involved. The fact that they immediately cast suspicion on their housekeeper shows they didn't even believe it. Why would they do that? If your daughter was gone one morning and an note from a foreign faction was found asking for an amount equivalent to your yearly bonus, would you say "maybe its my housekeeper"? The Ramsey's actions just didn't make any sense at all, from Patsy not reading the note to her hanging up on the 911 operator, to John closing open windows without telling anyone. And the grandaddy of them all, refusing to speak with police for months! Some say "people act differently under stress" but I have to disagree, nobody acts like that. Nobody!

 

[THE BUNK]

Nope, none of it makes sense. The tape is simply staging. The loosely tied hands are staging. And the ransom note is obviously staging. The fact that the Ramseys failed to heed the warnings on the ransom note and the fact that the 10:00 AM deadline came and went with notice from either John or Patsy shows they were involved. The fact that they immediately cast suspicion on their housekeeper shows they didn't even believe it. Why would they do that? If your daughter was gone one morning and an note from a foreign faction was found asking for an amount equivalent to your yearly bonus, would you say "maybe its my housekeeper"? The Ramsey's actions just didn't make any sense at all, from Patsy not reading the note to her hanging up on the 911 operator, to John closing open windows without telling anyone. And the grandaddy of them all, refusing to speak with police for months! Some say "people act differently under stress" but I have to disagree, nobody acts like that. Nobody!

I don't think the Ramseys had a particular patsy in mind (no pun intended) for this crime. If it was premeditated I think they could have thought of one but giving this murder occurred spontaneously they most likely planned this on the spot.

I would think if they were going to frame someone they would have included a more obvious clue in the ransom note. Heck they probably would have just signed it from that person rather than use the vague SBTC signof.

 

[Justice4JB]

So if it was a ramsey who did it..
I believe it depends on what really happened and who was actually the one who killed her..

If Burke was the one who killed her whether accidentally or during a fight, then no need to explain the whole cover up and staging since they would obviously be covering for their kid..
There are other possibilities, let's say John has been molesting her and something went wrong, they would definitely cover it up and stage the whole thing to make it seem like a kidnapper did it..

What might also have been a factor here is that their reputation as a loving and respectful family would have been heavily damaged if the truth was known as it is..

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

I was thinking why the pen and notepad didn’t vanish from the house wheras the tape and cord disappeared ?
My guess is that the pen and the paper from that notepad were used before such as for a shopping list etc. which could be linked to the ransom note.. carefully thought move... However that rope and tape probably were used for the first time and no evidence could be linked to the house.. jmo.

 

[Chewy]

You're basing your theory on emotions and not facts. "He was 9. He did not kill his sister. The person who left their DNA on her did." If that was your reasoning as a defense attorney, the jury would shake their heads. Not only has the DNA been discounted by professionals countless times, the fact that BR was "9" does not exclude him from anything, whether you want to feel bad for him or not.

You're really not making any sense here in your chiding of ScarlettScarpetta. A 9 year old could not have committed this crime unless someone was helping him. If you are saying BR killed JonBenet and his parents covered it up, then that's a different statement than "A nine year old could have committed this crime."

No he couldn't; period the end. Not unless someone else helped him. He couldn't have fashioned the garotte, moved her to the basement by himself, written the ransom note by himself. He couldn't have done those things. So it's impossible for him to have "committed this crime." That's a fact, not an emotional interpretation.

 

[Dynamic88]

Nope, none of it makes sense. The tape is simply staging.

To what purpose?

The loosely tied hands are staging.

What do they stage? What are they supposed to indicate to those looking at the crime scene? How do we know this isn't something left undone - taking the remaining "restraints" off her?

And the ransom note is obviously staging. The fact that the Ramseys failed to heed the warnings on the ransom note and the fact that the 10:00 AM deadline came and went with notice from either John or Patsy shows they were involved.

Patsy failed to heed the warnings, John didn't, unless one can prove that John went along with Patsy making the 911 call. I don't want to get into far-fetched case theories but we need to stay logical and not make assumptions. One Ramsey violated the warnings in the RN, Patsy. She claims not to have read the RN in it's entirety. The 10am deadline is obviously for "tomorrow", the 27th. No reason either should have commented on the call not coming a day early.

The fact that they immediately cast suspicion on their housekeeper shows they didn't even believe it. Why would they do that? If your daughter was gone one morning and an note from a foreign faction was found asking for an amount equivalent to your yearly bonus, would you say "maybe its my housekeeper"?

Good point.

The Ramsey's actions just didn't make any sense at all, from Patsy not reading the note to her hanging up on the 911 operator,

Actually that does make sense, at least to me. She read enough to know her daughter was kidnapped and she knew she needed the police. The details can wait until the police get there. I'm not saying I believe Patsy was innocent, I'm just saying that particular part of her story seems plausible.

What doesn't make sense is John, having read the entire note, going along with the 911 call. He'd have to at least pretend to give the warnings some credence. If he couldn't stop her he'd at least be able to take the phone from her and explain to 911 about the threats and ask that police show up in unmarked cars.

Why wouldn't Patsy hang up on the 911 operator? What else was there to say? Of course, as we know, she didn't actually hang up, and so we know Burke was up and present during the 911 call. We know both john and patsy lied about that.

to John closing open windows without telling anyone.

agreed.

And the grandaddy of them all, refusing to speak with police for months! Some say "people act differently under stress" but I have to disagree, nobody acts like that. Nobody!

agreed.

 

[InstantProof]

I think J&P both wanted to distance themselves from the note after calling 911. Patsy because she wrote it, and John because he just read it for the first time and thinks it is incriminating. What I think is missing in the 911 call is commotion and communication between John and Patsy.

 

[OliviaG1996]

You're really not making any sense here in your chiding of ScarlettScarpetta. A 9 year old could not have committed this crime unless someone was helping him. If you are saying BR killed JonBenet and his parents covered it up, then that's a different statement than "A nine year old could have committed this crime."

No he couldn't; period the end. Not unless someone else helped him. He couldn't have fashioned the garotte, moved her to the basement by himself, written the ransom note by himself. He couldn't have done those things. So it's impossible for him to have "committed this crime." That's a fact, not an emotional interpretation.

I said "A nine year old could have committed this crime."? Where? Me saying, "the fact that BR was '9' does not exclude him from anything," is not only true, it's not at all saying I think BR committed everything in this crime by himself. It's saying his age does not automatically eliminate him from being physically able to commit any part of this crime. All of your "BR couldn't have"s are opinions you have somehow come to believe, definitely not facts. He could have fashioned the "garrote" (if that's what you'd like to call the thing with only one stick attached to it), could have moved her to the basement by himself, and could have written the ransom note by himself. All of these are possible. Does that mean I think he did all of these things? Nope.

I didn't say BR strangled her with the "garrote" (stick attached to it or not), although it's certainly possible. Why do you think a 9-year-old boy scout with a father who has made garrotes before wouldn't be familiar with the process of making a knot out of cord on a stick? I also didn't say BR wrote the ransom note. Even though a large portion of the note has quotes from movies BR has possibly watched, I think it's highly unlikely that he wrote it, but should he have been automatically excluded by police from being the possible author? No. How do you know someone had to move JBR to the basement? Why couldn't she have already been there to begin with? If she wasn't already in the basement, why couldn't BR have dragged a small, 45 lb. JBR to the basement in a position where only her feet were dragging across the floor? From the way some posters talk about BR, you'd think he was three weeks old when this happened. Not "chiding" anyone, I'm just baffled by the "couldn't have"s.

 

[Tadpole12]

To what purpose?

visceral?
she's been shut up forever?
no secret to be told?

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

My last step by step version full of staging and tailoring of R...I usually change it the next minute though

I now see that it's too long sorry for that..


1 Little Pink Barbie nightgown and pjama bottoms on JB +wednesday size 6 panties
2 JBR never was in her bed and didn't sleep
3 Kids get some snack inbetween ..parents didn't notice.
4 Everybody is up ..JR and PR is upstairs study room / dressing room etc
5 Kids are playing in JAR's room .. /playing doctor
6 P makes a big deal about packing for the trips .
It appears to me that she deliberately painted to place herself in JAR's bedroom on the kids's floor. Thus Those clothes all over JAR's bed seem deliberately scattered to me , the suitcase is too far of the bed out of one's reach to get prepared..I guess she has a day to get prepared after Chavr. trip
At an interview P also all of a sudden says there 's no blood here or sth like that while talking abt the items in JBR's room trying to suggest that room was the actual crime scene.. I think JBR's room was not the crime scene either.
7 JBR is on JAR's bed ../ B's touch DNA on the pink nightgown / JAR's duvet is on JBR /sham whatever it is , is also on the bed.. fibers from duvet get all over JBR 's body maybe including her vagina.
B could be reading the story book of Dr Seuss , book is also on the bed.
8 Assault went too far.. JBR screams , runs for the parents , bash on the head from behind
9 Parents run downstairs / they try to revive her / notice blood on her bottom part
10 She is unconscious /appears dead
11 B is sent to his room not to come out.
12 They lay her white blanket on her bed / and lay JBR on the blanket / blood smears on the blanket /pillow is on the head part of the bed/ prob.her ear also bleeds thus blood on the pillow.
13 After a while staging begins(they thought they couldn't take her to a hospital because of the sexual assault.)
(version was she was zonked sleeping and so went to bed with white Gap top which she wore to the party , and a pedophili intruder kidnapped her from her bed)
14 Bloodied pink pjama bottoms and size 6 panties pulled off by JR and later on hidden from the scene never to be found.
15 Wiping inner thighs with a blue cloth , cleaning blood.. some remain not be seen visually , only to be observed after forensics.
16 Pink nightgown pulled off .. blood on that also
17 Putting on the gap top as per their version.. Fibers from the duvet got on her shirt.
18 P helping JR getting the new panties and longjohns from the drawers
19 Taking the fresh new wednesday panty from the package by PR .that is size 12 but who cares ..the rest of the package also hidden
20 putting on panties and longjohns by JR thus Israeli shirt fibers on the waist parts.
21 she is almost dead at that moment
22 a few little drops of blood leaks on the panties which they don't notice
23 No apparent trace of trauma on the head ..
24 The decision of a ransom note along with strangulation is chosen as a method cause of death.
25 That procedure cannot be done there near B
26 JR puts on brown gloves .. Brown fibers on JB's bod , paintbrush and duct tape.
27 and gets the flashlight which may be already in the scene /hallway as a hitting tool.
28 she is picked up with the white blanket under her and taken to the basement ..
29 To look like a proffessional killer 's job which JR uses frequently , the garrote is
added .
30 After strangulation with the cord , she urinates a little while actual death.
31 Size 12 panties and longjohns get some urine.
32 PR also goes downstairs near JBR , she hugs her dead body , stays near her for a while, thus red and black fibers get on JBR ..
33 Bed is staged as a struggle occurred there.
34 Place of the pillow is changed and the inside out pjama top is thrown there.
35 Blood on the nightgown is noticed and that's also thrown near the body..
36 Tape is used for final staging as her screams needed not to be heard , P gets the tape and JR puts it on the mouth.
37 Hands bound after the rigor mortis had set in..
38 Staging JAR's bedroom. A suitcase full of kids summer clothes taken from the wardrobe. Suitcase is emptied on JAR's bed and the duvet and sham and the book is put inside it and taken to the basement possibily to be hidden with the other items or taken out of the house..but too big to do so... so a genius idea by JBR last chance why not put it under the window in the basement for an exit step out of the window for the imaginary killer ..
39 Fibers of duvet from JBR 's gap top and body gets in the body bag..
40 It's my guess that the garrote with a stick attached was a man way of thinking .. I also think that women esp moms pay attention to the hairs and necklaces ..so P would avoid JBR's hair and necklace tangling in knot of the cord that way..
41 P writes the ransom letter.
42 JR takes shower.