AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #19

[1987]

moo.
as for the cars, I am just not so sure they are from cctv. I think cctv would be black and white at night. maybe the casino cctvs might be color or gas pumps, but I don't know, there is some thought that black and white gives a better detail than color . I think they had real eyes on those cars, I think that is why no tags, unsure of exact type and years. if real eyes exact time is even questionable to me.

also been on my mind that I think she is a innocent victim, but I know a girl that age can turn into someone they were not the week before, most come back around to being great adults, but that in between time who knows. lots of could be and maybe going on in my mind at the moment.

 

[Wrenny]

I also wonder where she was dropped off by the school bus...any areas for someone to be parked & observe her? Which, if any, houses did she have to walk by to get home?

In rural areas like that, usually the school bus stops at the driveway.

 

[SandyQLS]

Do we have any Dance Moms here? I have only known one personally and she is sweet, kind, and stable. I realize the show Dance Moms is overblown entertainment, but those mothers were catty, backstabbing, bipolar drama queens. It could be a jealous Dance Mom. There really was a Texas Cheerleader Mom, Wanda Holloway, who tried to hire a hitman to murder her child's rival's mother.

What about those of you who think a woman was involved or did this?

 

[Herb.Wis]

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/digitization/201253ncjrs.pdf

When Abducted Child Was Killed <1 Hour 44%
Within 3 Hours 74%
Within 24 Hours 91%
Within 7 Days 99%
Within 30 Days 100%

(Those statistics are just devastating.)

Since Jayme may still be alive these statistics do not apply.

 

[carmenugt]

I considered a private plane, but still, even small private airstrips should have been equipped with cameras and Flight Logs, Air Traffic Control checked by LE. (I would hope).

The car was the identifier. NO way could she have reached Florida.

 

[Herb.Wis]

If this was planned and Jayme is treated well, I would think her hair now has been cut, to being very short: perhaps dyed.
The Perpetrator could possibly have Jayme dressed as a young boy, in case she is seen by others, as they travel great distances to the destination/hideout.
There would be another vehicle involved immediately after the murders.
MOO.

Something along those lines lines is quite possible. Unless the hideout/destination is in the Barron area. Then he wouldn't care so much about changing her appearance as keeping people away from the hiding place.

 

[Herb.Wis]

I think LE has been at loss for a motive all along...and are grasping at straws that someone might know some odd thing that could possibly have caused this, i.e prior road rage incident, an argument of some sort, anything that could fester in an unstable mind. Just reaching for anything.

That's what I think too. No solid leads or evidence so LE is grasping for anything. And when nothing at all turned up, they ramped down the investigation. Sad but probably true.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

moo.
as for the cars, I am just not so sure they are from cctv. I think cctv would be black and white at night. maybe the casino cctvs might be color or gas pumps, but I don't know, there is some thought that black and white gives a better detail than color . I think they had real eyes on those cars, I think that is why no tags, unsure of exact type and years. if real eyes exact time is even questionable to me.

also been on my mind that I think she is a innocent victim, but I know a girl that age can turn into someone they were not the week before, most come back around to being great adults, but that in between time who knows. lots of could be and maybe going on in my mind at the moment.

BBM

I thought exactly the same thing, for what it's worth. I find it VERY had to believe that the FBI wouldn't be able to determine the make of an SUV more precisely from video footage. I'm much more inclined to believe this is something a witness reported.

JMO

 

[carmenugt]

The biggest mistake is to not have kept Jayme in the media. People forget quickly.It seems we have grown accustomed to crimes against children. With no new evidence, sleuthers are left to rehash the same old theories.

 

[kay74]

I find it amazing that this person or persons have outsmarted the FBI and LE!

 

[daisy6441]

@tmar I did see a photo where they had different hair colors and styles on Jayme. It was shared by someone close to her.

 

[daisy6441]

Do we have any Dance Moms here? I have only known one personally and she is sweet, kind, and stable. I realize the show Dance Moms is overblown entertainment, but those mothers were catty, backstabbing, bipolar drama queens. It could be a jealous Dance Mom. There really was a Texas Cheerleader Mom, Wanda Holloway, who tried to hire a hitman to murder her child's rival's mother.

What about those of you who think a woman was involved or did this?

I thought about that too but that mom wanted the girl dead. If that was the case the killer could have found her getting off the bus or walking out of dance practice and killed her instead of barging into the house with parents he would have to contend with.

 

[Nerissa]

Even if LE let us know how they know that Jayme was in that house....not saying I doubt that but
seems like talking out of two sides of their mouths by stating on the one hand the 911 call isn't producing anything relevant...
and yet, that is one of the main reasons they know Jayme was there...I'd say that's relevant and helpful...
So, what was said on that call that they know this?
Very confusing.
Supposedly just 'yelling'....but must be something specific with regard to Jayme...either her voice, or a reference to her from someone else in the house
This would be kinda nice to know....

 

[DocBrew]

The biggest mistake is to not have kept Jayme in the media. People forget quickly.It seems we have grown accustomed to crimes against children. With no new evidence, sleuthers are left to rehash the same old theories.

Yeah, what good is "protecting the investigation" if it ultimately means prosecuting no one?

JMO.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Yeah, what good is "protecting the investigation" if it ultimately means prosecuting no one?

JMO.

This seems to be the way of doing things these days. Look at the Delphi case- going on two years now with no apparent end in sight.

 

[cluciano63]

Why is it so baffling that LE asked anyone who knew of issues people may have had with the family? They were hoping to be pointed toward a possible motive and suspect in a seemingly motiveless crime. I did not take it as an indication that the family did have problems...just the reverse, in that LE had no obvious leads.

 

[compass]

Even if LE let us know how they know that Jayme was in that house....not saying I doubt that but
seems like talking out of two sides of their mouths by stating on the one hand the 911 call isn't producing anything relevant...
and yet, that is one of the main reasons they know Jayme was there...I'd say that's relevant and helpful...
So, what was said on that call that they know this?
Very confusing.
Supposedly just 'yelling'....but must be something specific with regard to Jayme...either her voice, or a reference to her from someone else in the house
This would be kinda nice to know....

I believe it’s not something heard on the call. If the phone was not near either of the deceased victims then someone else made the call, thus Jayme. Maybe they didn’t find the phone in the house. I have heard no report that they have the phone, correct me if I am wrong. MOO

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I think we also need to remember the sheriff did not name these vehicles as suspect. They are per the sheriff "ONLY vehicles of interest". That's not to minimize their importance at all. I hope any sighting is called in and LE can determine how to proceed with the info. But we need to be careful that in our desperation for information, it doesn't cause us to interpret information as anything other then LE states. JMO
Barron County Sheriff's Department
ETA source

I saw one in Las Vegas 3 days ago. I shared it with them today. It could be anywhere.

 

[cluciano63]

This seems to be the way of doing things these days. Look at the Delphi case- going on two years now with no apparent end in sight.

True, that even as bizarre and shocking crime like this, it is already lost in the sea of constant news. The public has a very short attention span and little capacity to retain news items. It falls to LE to keep it relevant yet too often they yield to the habit of secrecy/protection of info.

 

[cody22]

I believe it’s not something heard on the call. If the phone was not near either of the deceased victims then someone else made the call, thus Jayme. Maybe they didn’t find the phone in the house. I have heard no report that they have the phone, correct me if I am wrong. MOO

LE have Denise's phone as stated by the Sheriff on PC links in an earlier thread. They have not said who made the 911 call.