Posting conversation quotes for reference/clarity:
A general observation:
I find it ironic and disturbing that here we are with two (so far unsolved) missing 13 year old girls/Amber Alerts and that in both discussions the nature of these abductions is unique and crosses over into new territories such as home invasions, family murder and carjacking.
In other words, all of our experience in cases involving your average pedophile/hebephile perp may not even be applicable here, demonstrating hopefully NOT a new trend in our increasingly violent society. As
@Hatfield mentioned, some of these cases are much harder to solve than we could have originally thought.
BBM: compared to when/what society? Violent crime is nearly half what it was in the mid 70's. I haven't seen any evidence or reason to rule out a SA motive in either case.
I haven’t seen anything to rule out SA motive either.
Just saying that there are obviously many other elements that are being considered here, revenge, home invasion gone bad, etc etc.
As for violent crime stats, well that’s probably another discussion and there are definitely differing opinions on that. I probably should have stated my post better earlier. All I know is I have created 4 mass shooting threads in 12 days. There has always been violence and murder over time, no doubt about that.
It would be interesting to see where the stats are home invasion wise...are they increasing? I know the search results were infinite when I posted some of these cases a while back showing the prevalence of dual and multiple perps in those incidents.
Well, well, well CuriousMaine, look what I just coincidentally came across in another case—(it seems both of us were right!):
“#2: SHOOTINGS ARE MORE FREQUENT
A recent study published by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center shows that the frequency of mass shooting is increasing over time. The researchers measured the increase by calculating the time between the occurrence of mass shootings. According to the research, the days separating mass shooting occurrence went from on average 200 days during the period of 1983 to 2011 to 64 days since 2011.
What is most alarming with mass shootings is the fact that this increasing trend is moving in the opposite direction of overall intentional homicide rates in the US, which decreased by almost 50% since 1993 and in Europe where intentional homicides decreased by 40% between 2003 and 2013.“
Article from 2016:
6 Things to Know about Mass Shootings in America
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Might as well check to see if home invasions are on the rise, statistically. Standby.
“FBI Releases 2016 Crime Statistics
The estimated number of violent crimes in the nation increased for the second straight year, rising 4.1 percent in 2016 when compared with 2015 data, according to FBI figures released today.”
FBI Releases 2016 Crime Statistics — FBI
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FBI Releases 2017 Crime Statistics — FBI
“After two consecutive years of increases, the estimated number of violent crimes in the nation decreased 0.2 percent in 2017 when compared with 2016 data, according to FBI figures released today.”
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Interesting:
“Few statistics are available on the crime of home invasion as such, because it is not defined as a crime in its own right in most jurisdictions.[17] Statistics about home invasion found on the Internet are often false or misleading.[18] Persons arrested for what the police or media may refer to as "home invasion" are actually charged with crimes such as robbery, kidnapping, homicide, rape, or assault.“
Home invasion - Wikipedia
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This article has some interesting notes as I think about the Closs’:
“They kept asking, 'Where's your stuff?'" she said. "My husband and I kept saying, 'What stuff?'"
What they wanted was locked in a safe next to what the couple wanted to protect most.
"It was right outside my daughter's bedroom," she said.“
Snip
“Wilson, who's been with the department for 25 years, said last year the numbers were unlike what the city had seen before: six home invasions in six months. He says none were random.
Beyond tracking the patterns of the neighborhood, police say robbers also take into account how likely it is their victim will fight back, making the elderly and kids home alone some of the most vulnerable targets.
"There were only children at the house at the time (of a home invasion)," Wilson said. Suspects knew that.“
Home Invasions: Why They Aren't Always Random
Did the Closs’ have a safe? I can’t remember if this was mentioned, tia.
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“Historically, burglary is
classified as a property crime except when someone is home
during the burglary and a household member is attacked or
threatened. When someone is home during a burglary and
experiences violence, NCVS classification rules categorize the
victimization as a personal (rape/sexual assault, robbery, and
aggravated and simple assault) rather than a property crime
(household burglary, theft, and motor vehicle theft). In this
report, the definition of household burglary includes
burglaries in which a household member was a victim of a
violent crime (see Methodology).”
Snip
“Serious injury accounted for 9% and minor injury accounted for
36% of injuries sustained by household members who were home
and experienced violence during a completed burglary.
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"Home invasion" has been used widely to describe an array of
victimizations
"Home invasion" has been used broadly to describe any crime
committed by an individual unlawfully entering a residence
while someone is home. More narrowly, home invasion has been
used to describe a situation where an offender forcibly enters
an occupied residence with the specific intent of robbing or
violently harming those inside.
The limited numbers of states incorporating the term "home
invasion" into their state statutes include the intent on the
part of the offender in their definition. In part, these
statutes have defined intent as--
*A person enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling with the
intent of committing a violent crime;
*A person knowingly enters the dwelling place of another with
the knowledge or expectation that someone (one or more persons)
is present;
*The unauthorized entering of any inhabited dwelling or other
structure belonging to another with the intent to use force or
violence upon the person of another.
Public perception and media reports of home invasion do not
necessarily include intent
Public perception and media reports of home invasion do not
necessarily include intent on the part of the offender.
Situations reported by the media as home invasion include--
*An offender forcibly enters a home to rob the household of
specific items, including cash, drugs, or other items--
specific households or residents may become a target either to
"settle a score" or because residents are perceived as
vulnerable, such as persons with disabilities and the elderly.
*An offender enters a residence falsely believing no one is
home and a confrontation occurs between the resident and the
offender.
*A household member returns home while a burglary is in
progress and a confrontation occurs between the household
member and the offender.“
U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Special Report
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
-much more at link
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Again I’m not saying robbery was the motive here, just continuing to look at different angles. This technically was a “home invasion” after all, no matter who and what the target was.
I do believe that MO is important, as it is in Hania’s thread, as to possibly lending insight into the perp(s).
