...does she look the same pregnant as she does today in interviews?
Not to me, Laurie. She told her publicist she hasn't had plastic surgery though, so must we be dreaming? :waitasec:
This latest news is also very intriguing. From the LA Times:
... according to federal records reviewed by The Times, of the 61 procedures he conducted in 2006 -- the most recent data available -- only five resulted in pregnancies and only two of those resulted in births. One of those births was Suleman's twins.
The pregnancy rate achieved by his clinic was so low that it probably spurred a professional association to offer him help in improving his record.
"These are the worst numbers I've ever seen. This is absurdly low," said Dr. Mark Surrey, another fertility specialist in Beverly Hills.
But in Suleman, Kamrava found a patient who got pregnant and gave birth every time.
Hmmm... Besides the fact that this doctor appears to be ethically challenged in general (see the rest of the story for details), do you think his failure rate with other women might explain why he was willing to do all he did to Nadya, to increase his success numbers, even in spite of current standards and the Octogram and octopop begging him to stop?
That article also delivers the news that Kaiser has asked MediCal to pick up the tab.
It inspired me to rewatch
her interview with Curry, because she talked about success rates in it. Upon rewatching, a few other things jumped out. I don't have time to type out the entire transcript, and can't find one online, but here is a partial one I made of the most interesting snippets of it:
NS: I had so many problems: fibroids, severe endometriosis, lesions. I also had a laparoscopy to get rid of lesions in my fallopian tubes. They turned out that my tubes were scarred, so the only option left over was IVF.
Surry: "Why so many?"
NS: Taking my history into consideration, it was very appropriate, I mean once that worked... that one one grew and was very healthy...
Surry: Then why didn't you stop?
NS: He deserved siblings. Again, that's me projecting my own wants and wishes onto my child, and I continue to do so, throughout all of them, haha, you know, I'm focusing on their needs while still focusing on mine - wanting a huge family.
I'm sure they would say they did too,
if they knew that's what I wanted.
So, I know now. I know now that, um, they may not agree or deep down wanted that many siblings but at the time I was so focused that I kept going...
...
Surry: To what degree is this too much about you and not enough about them?
NS: I think after the sixth. I should )?) acknowledge that I don't want to have too many more.. I'm gonna use what i have available...
[Commentary about how she had 6 remaining embryos, and asked her doctor to implant all of them.]
Surry: Did you use the same fertility specialist for all of your pregnancies?
NS: Yes. Some people will be like, "Whoa that's too many," but a lot of people aren't aware of statistics involved in IVF. There is a very low probability of success in most procedures.
In any given procedure, there's about a 50% chance one will grow, maybe less.
so the most I would have ever anticipated would have been twins.
[Discussion about how she researched everything and knew all the odds and serious risks to herself and the babies - she defends the doctor - she says they saw them all at one month along, and her doctor acted surprised, and asked, "How many did you have implanted? OK, they're all there" - then she says they only saw 5 of them at the first time.
confused
Asked how she felt, she said she embraced it - describes delivery and the first time she saw the babies.]
Surry: Some people feel you did this to make money.
NS: That's really funny... funny how utrue that is... money? money is necessary to raise children, but it's paper. It is paper. To me, it is superfluous, in contrast to the importance of my kids.
And no, I am not receiving help from the government. I am not - there is nothing wrong with that, for other people - but I am not trying to expect anything from anybody. I just want to do it on my own. Any resources that someone would really, really wanna help with - swings, or you know, something in regards to just the children - that i will accept and embrace. I will do the best I can to give them all the attention i can, with the help of volunteers - friends and family - what else can one do?
She thanks her mother for letting them stay in her home, believes god will provide, and says her degree will help.
Curry comments to the news panel that Octogram says Nadya hasn't helped financially, but that Nadya disputes that, saying
she pays rent and that that is one of several homes her mother owns.
She says she asked Nadya how she affords the IVF, and Nadya claimed she used her disability payments, worked double shifts, and used all her money for that one goal, forgoing other things, like the car she could have bought. (No mention of nose or lip jobs.
)
Considering the
reported accusations about the doctor's billing shenanigans, I wonder if he was even charging Nadya the full price.
Anyway, maybe someone else will want to fill in the rest of the transcript, but it was enlightening to listen again to this interview in light of today's revelations.
Most striking to me was that she didn't say she wasn't on "welfare." She said she wasn't getting help from the government. So the defense that she didn't consider food stamps to be welfare was dishonest.
