Wrongful death trial begins. Trial coverage and discussion #2

[prpladi]

They called it Jonah Schacknai's "Stategic Masterstroke" in Money magazine. There is absolutely zero doubt he knew what he was doing--appearing to want more investigation while ensuring it wouldn't happen. He is an attorney, and even people who don't like him can't help themselves but say he's a 'very intelligent man.' He could have just used wording to ensure it didn't meet criteria or he could have ensured the outcome he wanted by speaking through back channels. He's a big Democratic donor. My old boss was, too, and people (important politicians) would say about him, 'I hear he's a big deal.' Trust me, they will bend over backwards for these big $ big shots.

This is why this entire Investigation hit a Road Block; because of the Dead Presidents that JS had to offer to ?

 

[Seattle1]

The investigative value that the shoe ridges and footprint evidence has in this case, is compelling. The findings indicate that Rebecca was not alone on the balcony the night she died. For example, no left footprints from Ms. Zahau were found on the balcony – not one. It is highly unlikely that Ms. Zahau maneuvered from the balcony door to the balcony railing on one foot. The absence of left footprints suggests that Ms. Zahau was lifted from behind and carried onto the balcony. This finding is supported by the partial unknown shoe ridges found on top and behind Rebecca's footprints.

The likely sequence of events involved the perpetrator carrying the victim from inside the room to the balcony door. The perpetrator then needed to get a better grip on the victim so he/she placed Ms. Zahau down allowing only her right foot to make contact with the dusty floor - just at the entrance. The perpetrator then lifted her up again and stepped forward towards the railing again sitting the victim down for a second allowing her right foot to make contact with the balcony floor. Then Ms. Zahau was tossed over the balcony.

great photos at link: http://www.drmauricegodwin.com/shoeprintanalysis.html

 

[minorone]

Here is a link. Anne stated it was viewed the day before the hanging, which would be Tuesday when Adam was there. Greer said it was viewed Monday night, before Adam arrived.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/16083634/...oronado-mansion-computer?clienttype=printable

Keith Greer has stated in this update with Tricia Griffiths that it has nothing to do with the case.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2018/02/12/21118-websleuths-radio-rebecca-zahau-and-autopsy-report-mistake-in-las-vegas

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Thanks Lezah. I guess I'm not really understanding why it would have a prejudicial impact. It might show he didn't need to get a table but if that's the truth of the matter I don't see why he should not be shown to have been tampering with the evidence or staging the scene. To me it seems prejudicial against the plaintiff not to show it.

I'm no lawyer, but I wonder if it's just the emotional impact of seeing the Substitute Rebecca hanging. I know the dummy with the legs up and bound was certainly impactful.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Betty P, I’m curious why you believe the state of Ohio would get involved? TIA

I don’t think you are understanding what I am saying about the *advertiser censored*. It was Keith Greer who just said recently on one of his interviews with Tricia that “Anne Bremner may have exaggerated about the Asaian *advertiser censored*”, and it was viewed on Rebecca’s computer on Monday evening, long before Adam arrived.

Anne said many times while she was the Zahau’s attorney that it was Adam that viewed the “Asian bondage *advertiser censored*.” If what Greer says is true, and you all seem to believe him, then Anne Bremner was definitely “exaggerating”, if not downright lying.

So, I thought that the Asian bondage *advertiser censored* was supposedly watched hours before Rebecca died, as in sometime after she got home from dinner and before she died.

If it was viewed prior to that, it opens up the possibility of others watching it, right? Such as Jonah or one of his older kids? Or not necessarily watching it, but one of them could have done the searches?

Was Rebecca's computer in the room where the balcony was where she was found?

Adam did admit to watching some type of *advertiser censored* on his iPhone that morning before he found her though, right?

 

[Seattle1]

Caitlyn Rother posted this on her Facebook page tonight:

The defense team in Rebecca Zahau trial poked holes in the plaintiff's case today. Two witnesses, both former employees of the sheriff's crime lab, testifed today about fingerprint and DNA processing and analysis of the scene. It was very technical at times, but they were both very clear and concise. The fingerprint examiner said she didn't think areas were wiped down, as the plaintiff has suggested, because Rebecca's fingerprints were still found on them. She said prints are fragile, and it's not unusual for people to touch things and leave no trace, especially if they've just washed and dried their hands. (Note: Adam Shacknai said he had just taken a shower just before he cut her down.) The DNA analyst said that testing items for vaginal blood or oral swabs for DNA should show the presence of far more epithelial cells than if someone just touched the items. The count on Rebecca's oral swab was 600 nanograms. The swab of the knife handle which the plaintiff claims Shacknai used to sexually assault Rebecca, who was menstruating, before killing her? Only 35 nanograms. That means it is more likely transfer blood from a cut, and therefore not sexual in nature--unless it was degraded somehow by print processing powder, or something that comes out on cross tomorrow. Not a great day for the plaintiff.

 

[Jessica2012]

So, I thought that the Asian bondage *advertiser censored* was supposedly watched hours before Rebecca died, as in sometime after she got home from dinner and before she died.

If it was viewed prior to that, it opens up the possibility of others watching it, right? Such as Jonah or one of his older kids? Or not necessarily watching it, but one of them could have done the searches?

Was Rebecca's computer in the room where the balcony was where she was found?

Adam did admit to watching some type of *advertiser censored* on his iPhone that morning before he found her though, right?

That is what Anne Bremner had us believe, but Greer now says it was watched on Monday night. The older kids had gone, Jonah was at Radys, and only Rebecca and her little sister were there.

Yes, Rebecca’s computer was in the balcony room. It was her painting room and office, as well as a guest bedroom when needed, which I imagine was not often since there were so many bedrooms in the mansion.

Yes, Adam admitted to watching *advertiser censored* on his iPhone after waking up on Wednesday morning, before his shower, and before finding Rebecca hanging.

 

[Jessica2012]

Caitlyn Rother posted this on her Facebook page tonight:

The defense team in Rebecca Zahau trial poked holes in the plaintiff's case today. Two witnesses, both former employees of the sheriff's crime lab, testifed today about fingerprint and DNA processing and analysis of the scene. It was very technical at times, but they were both very clear and concise. The fingerprint examiner said she didn't think areas were wiped down, as the plaintiff has suggested, because Rebecca's fingerprints were still found on them. She said prints are fragile, and it's not unusual for people to touch things and leave no trace, especially if they've just washed and dried their hands. (Note: Adam Shacknai said he had just taken a shower just before he cut her down.) The DNA analyst said that testing items for vaginal blood or oral swabs for DNA should show the presence of far more epithelial cells than if someone just touched the items. The count on Rebecca's oral swab was 600 nanograms. The swab of the knife handle which the plaintiff claims Shacknai used to sexually assault Rebecca, who was menstruating, before killing her? Only 35 nanograms. That means it is more likely transfer blood from a cut, and therefore not sexual in nature--unless it was degraded somehow by print processing powder, or something that comes out on cross tomorrow. Not a great day for the plaintiff.

This is the type of evidence that does not lie or have an agenda. There was no sexual assault with a knife, and that is why SDSO did not “catch” it.

 

[Seattle1]

Did JS testify today? Any of our court peeps at trial today?

CASE TITLE: Estate of Rebecca Zahau vs. Shacknai
[IMAGED]
CASE NO: 37-2013-00075418-CU-PO-CTL

Counsel give the following estimates for examination for witnesses on Thursday 3/22/18:

Jonah Shacknai: Defendant - 1/12 hours; Plaintiff - 20-30 minutes
Dave Oleksow: Defendant - 1 hour; Plaintiff - 20 - 30 minutes
Robert Chisnall: Defendant - 90 minutes; Plaintiff - 30 minutes

Court Transcript (Day 15)

 

[stmarysmead]

This is the type of evidence that does not lie or have an agenda. There was no sexual assault with a knife, and that is why SDSO did not “catch” it.

Thank you.

The truth matters. Facts matter.

One by one, the supposed “facts” supporting this lawsuit are proving to be farce.

The “Asian *advertiser censored*.”....that it has been theorized here may have drove Adam to rape and kill....uhhh...Rebecca’s attorney now confirms it viewed the night before Adam arrived. So who would have been there at the “Mansion” to enjoy it? New question...interesting new speculation.

The “great love” between Jonah and Rebecca that was attested to here for years. Oh, they were planning a party, oh, he adored her, everything was fabulous except for the evil former wife causing issues. Now Rebecca’s attorney tells us...well, uh, except that Jonah was ALREADY dating the woman he is now married to. Yet that kind of betrayal is dismissed as a no credible motive for suicide. Women don’t get upset by being cheated on and facing losing a luxurious lifestyle.

No, Rebecca’s strong Christian faith has been constantly put forth as a preventivefrom her from ever ever committing suicide. But it did not prevent her from being a serial adulteress herself...or stealing jewelry she desired. When the tenets of her faith conflicted with what Rebecca-wanted to do, the tenets of her faith were ignored. That is historical fact as testified to by her Ex husband about her serial cheating and her police record about her theft of jewelry.

Then there’s the “magic towel.” This should be Jonah’s next billion dollar product release. A towel that selectively removes invisible particles only leav8ng the ones you want to leave. So if you and your roommate have both have dogs, for example...and there’s dog hair and dander all over the couch...the magic towel will allow the consumer to identify, select and remove only the dander from one’s own dog...leaving the mixed in dander and hair from the other dog there for its owner to clean. Adam would have to have the first prototype of this invention, because any place he “wiped down”...would have removed Rebecca’s DNA as well.

Two mysterious deaths at this mansion. The majority of the focus here only on the second death...not the child’s. Now this lawsuit seems to say...since Jonah, the Ex and her twin (who have even been publicly APOLOGIZED to) are out of the picture...it has to be Adam because he was the only one on the premises. So scenarios are built to support that theory and experts are “hired”to support the theory of murder.

But if one employed the same tactics to discussing the child’s death...who were the only people in the house? Rebecca and her sister. Experts have put forth theories that the child was murdered too. Was Adam looking for revenge...how about cheated-on mistress, disrespected by the kids...how about “revenge” on her part? Was Adam kinky...well, who was watching Asain *advertiser censored* the night before? All kinds of Theories could be invented that created motives for Rebecca or her sister to be implicated. If the police screwed up HER investigation, whose to say that Max’s investigation isn’t as flawed? But one side was chosen to be deified...the other side, demonized...and storylines built on “facts” that are falling by the wayside.

To be clear, I don’t believe there’s enough evidence to believe that either Rebecca or her sister hurt Max...but my point is that the if the same “standards” of “investigation”being applied here on WS...were applied to Max’s case...the same type of theories could be built....with Rebecca as villain not victim. And it would be just as unfair.

 

[Tortoise]

Caitlyn Rother posted this on her Facebook page tonight:

The defense team in Rebecca Zahau trial poked holes in the plaintiff's case today. Two witnesses, both former employees of the sheriff's crime lab, testifed today about fingerprint and DNA processing and analysis of the scene. It was very technical at times, but they were both very clear and concise. The fingerprint examiner said she didn't think areas were wiped down, as the plaintiff has suggested, because Rebecca's fingerprints were still found on them. She said prints are fragile, and it's not unusual for people to touch things and leave no trace, especially if they've just washed and dried their hands. (Note: Adam Shacknai said he had just taken a shower just before he cut her down.)

rsbm

Not a great day for the plaintiff.

rsbm

Plaintiff’s attorney C. Keith Greer has said some surfaces appeared to have been wiped down before authorities got to the house.

Wright testified that she saw no evidence anything had been wiped down. But then Greer asked specifically about a section of the balcony door that appeared, in a photo, to have little or no black fingerprint dust stuck to it.

The expert agreed that it could have, in fact, been wiped by someone wanting to remove traces of his or her fingers.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/sd-me-shacknai-fingerprints-20180321-story.html

BBM I suppose it's possible Caitlin missed Greer's cross.

 

[Tortoise]

Imp, I do not think the Plantiffs proved at all that she was hogtied

rsbm

The tail of rope from her ankles and the tail of rope from her wrists, both fixed positions by the process of rigor mortis, showed it was one piece of rope cut apart. Her legs were bent at the hips and knees, meaning she didn't hang straight. Her legs were not straight, rigor broken and fixed again so that her feet ended up miraculously at this exact distance from her hands.

Evidence doesn't get better than that.

 

[stmarysmead]

BBM I suppose it's possible Caitlin missed Greer's cross.

So Adam wiped it with the Magic towel AFTER it had been dusted for fingerprints? It’s the black fingerprint dust that’s been “wiped.”

 

[stmarysmead]

The tail of rope from her ankles and the tail of rope from her wrists, both fixed positions by the process of rigor mortis, showed it was one piece of rope cut apart. Her legs were bent at the hips and knees, meaning she didn't hang straight. Her legs were not straight, rigor broken and fixed again so that her feet ended up miraculously at this exact distance from her hands.

Evidence doesn't get better than that.

Even if correct, that evidence does not prove Adam did it. There’s no fingerprint and no DNA. This trial is not just about prov8ng murder...you must PROVE it was Adam.

 

[Tortoise]

So Adam wiped it with the Magic towel AFTER it had been dusted for fingerprints? It’s the black fingerprint dust that’s been “wiped.”

No, the expert conceded "it could have, in fact, been wiped by someone wanting to remove traces of his or her fingers"

 

[stmarysmead]

No, the expert conceded "it could have, in fact, been wiped by someone wanting to remove traces of his or her fingers"

Yes, but if it is the black fingerprint dust that’s been wiped...then how did Adam wipe that dust during the investigation. The “someone” could have been one of the investigators who put his hand there, then wiped it.

The “expert conceded” only that someone could have wiped the black fingerprint dust.

 

[Tortoise]

Even if correct, that evidence does not prove Adam did it. There’s no fingerprint and no DNA. This trial is not just about prov8ng murder...you must PROVE it was Adam.

What are the chances of Rebecca being hog-tied by someone who knew about Max and someone who had experience with nautical knots, of it not being Adam, staying in the guest house and no break in?

 

[Tortoise]

Yes, but if it is the black fingerprint dust that’s been wiped...then how did Adam wipe that dust during the investigation. The “someone” could have been one of the investigators who put his hand there, then wiped it.

The “expert conceded” only that someone could have wiped the black fingerprint dust.

Where does it say it is the fingerprint dust that has been wiped please.

Also no one, not even the defense, has said the investigators could have wiped it.

 

[stmarysmead]

Where does it say it is the fingerprint dust that has been wiped please.

Also no one, not even the defense, has said the investigators could have wiped it.

Wright testified that she saw no evidence anything had been wiped down. But then Greer asked specifically about a section of the balcony door that appeared, in a photo, to have little or no black fingerprint dust stuck to it. (LITTLE OR NO FINGERPRINT DUST)

The expert agreed that it could have, in fact, been wiped by someone wanting to remove traces of his or her fingers.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...321-story.html

 

[stmarysmead]

What are the chances of Rebecca being hog-tied by someone who knew about Max and someone who had experience with nautical knots, of it not being Adam, staying in the guest house and no break in?

What are the chances the child fell over a banister that an expert said was too high for that to be possible? And the disrespected-by-siblings, cheated-on girlfriend and her sister were the only ones in the house? Suspected “motive” in either case is not enough. So knowing about Max isn’t conclusive.

Being alone on the house. So was Rebecca and her sister with Max. Do you believe motive and “being alone”support accusing Rebecca of Max’s murder?

Take away “motive”...which is just supposition...and “being alone”...what’s left? Knots?

So he knew about knots? How did he become this super assassin ...essentially in two days... that knew how to remove his dna and fingerprints from every surface and commit a near perfect murder?