Zach Adams guilty in kidnapping murder of Holly Bobo Sept 23, 2017

[kaen]

I also am very happy that he will have his appeal and, then, he can silently sit in prison with no opportunity take the bus to a court room, dress in a suit, have contact with non-prisoners or family without a barrier between them. I have no idea if he will be in gen pop. or be in a protective area but after today either situation will be horrible for him. We saw what he did awaiting trial trying to engage people and show bravado. Good luck on getting away from the horrors in his memory. He has been full of bluster b/c he thought he was untouchable, now he is untouchable in isolation.

 

[kaen]

He's a remorseless piece of you-know-what. He owes his life to the graciousness of the Bobo family. He's too evil to appreciate the gift they just allowed him to have. At least we know he'll never have an opportunity to hurt another woman again. His conviction won't ever be overturned, he's done.

I don't think the Bobo family gave him a gift. I believe they gave themselves a gift. At this point, they don't care about him anymore. I hope after the other two are convicted and shuttled away that this family can smile and laugh in ways that they have not in 6.5 years. Today, they started on that path and the DP would have had them stalled in limbo for years.

 

[bestill]

Why is this a good outcome?

Every living organism fears dying. This animal should have been put on Death Row and so that it can feel it is to die... each day, every day for 10-15 years.

(Easy to judge without being in the same shoes as this courgeous family, but I think this would have been my choosing)

BBM I don't think organisms or animals understand that they are going to die, humans are the only ones that understand that. That's why we fear it. His life will be hell but he will be alive and he'll have to think about what he did and what his empty future is. I'm sure he's going to encounter some unsavory characters very soon. I'm glad it's LWOP.

 

[turaj]

The judge needs to retire, IMO. I'm still shocked he said this was the longest trial he's done in 25yrs! Then, to point to specific jurors and state he knows them, their family, etc.... beyond abnormal. I don't know the law enough to say it's grounds for appeal or anything like that. But that was bizarre!

May the Bobo family rest easier, and enjoy their life. They must find some joy and heal.

i must agree on the suggestion of retirement...letting them take notes with them rather than destroying them is beyond crazy in any state...then the schmoozing with them one by one indicating more than a casual knowledge of them and their families and lives...remember this is the guy shortly before the trial started that had one maybe two LOADED guns in carry on baggage.

 

[minor4th]

I'm glad they reached an agreement. I think it's fair.

 

[turaj]

So he got LWOP instead of the death penalty and he still has the right to appeal. Sounds like one heck of a good deal for him. Could it get any better than that (for him)?

frankly with that right of appeal preserved it is a very good deal but I guess the odds are so against getting any of the appeals and they divided the counts up so even if one was overturned he is still in...they felt it was okay.

 

[turaj]

From my understanding - normally after trial the judge has the juror notes shredded - but this judge said they could keep their notes. Leaves it open for defense attorneys to be able to get these notes and look for something to overturn the conviction - like outside influence - not following judges instructions, etc

it was mentioned they can subpoena them for use with the next two defendants...completely and utterly stupid move....and they are of zero value to the jurors...they are the property of the court.

 

[Gee]

it was mentioned they can subpoena them for use with the next two defendants...completely and utterly stupid move....and they are of zero value to the jurors...they are the property of the court.

Hopefully he corrected this before dismissing them


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[turaj]

Hopefully he corrected this before dismissing them


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were they not dismissed in the courtroom? Often a judge will ask them to wait and go back and talk to them...but it seems the judge sees them all the time in everyday life?

 

[Gardenista]

The prosecutor could have taken the death penalty off the table any time prior to the verdict. Yet, they did not. So, why now? Guess I'm curious to know what the "agreement" contains.

He read it this morning. You can watch it here

[video=youtube;bj56irqP4E0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj56irqP4E0[/video]

 

[Gee]

were they not dismissed in the courtroom? Often a judge will ask them to wait and go back and talk to them...but it seems the judge sees them all the time in everyday life?

Not 100% sure but didn't think they were dismissed from courtroom- I kept getting calls while I was trying to watch. I don't think he sees them all the time tho - jmo


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[Hatfield]

The talking to the jurors after the trial was a bad move also. You just dont want to do ANYTHING to give the defense any chance to use it against you in future appeals.

Time will tell whether any of it will matter. Its just sad it happened.

It totally reminded me of the judge in the first case for SM in the Heather Elvis trial that ended in mistrial and after case was over the judge literally shook hands with the defendent. There was a rumor he knew his father from years ago. And we had known this during the course of the trial.

So I was watching that trial as it happened and when it ended in mistrial and defendent approached the judge and I saw the judge shake hands with him and start a jovial conversation my jaw literally dropped and I could not believe my own eyes.

So much for being a non biased judge in that Elvis trial.

 

[Gooddeeds]

i must agree on the suggestion of retirement...letting them take notes with them rather than destroying them is beyond crazy in any state...then the schmoozing with them one by one indicating more than a casual knowledge of them and their families and lives...remember this is the guy shortly before the trial started that had one maybe two LOADED guns in carry on baggage.

-Agree! Why is it that many Judges turn any part of the attention to themselves during a highly publicized trial?!? It is such a turnoff. It should be a regulated law for them to follow and adhere to. There should be no references to:
-'this isn't a football game'. Order in the court is the professional term for that. Any tongue & cheek is inappropriate, and subliminally it is about 'this is what I have to say'. Geez, just uphold the truth and law. Its textbook written for a reason.
-'you won't have to play cards all day'
-'i'm not a fan of working on Sundays'
-i'm not known for patience'
-'let me start with you-ok and you-and you in the corner....' (jurors)
that was messy in my opinion. He didn't remain consistent. The delineation was muddled in that process.
-TODAY- 'Ive known your father, grandpa...' and on and on. That is bizarre, as a poster has said above. Does he not know that this is "not a football game"?!?!

I paraphrased on some of the above shenanigans but I think you can glean from it.

Was there an actual "Whereby the....defendant is sentenced to-------"? If there was I missed it. I saw the reading aloud of the agreed mergers for 25....etc, but not an official 'defendant is sentenced to----'
TIA

 

[Madeleine74]

The talking to the jurors after the trial was a bad move also. You just dont want to do ANYTHING to give the defense any chance to use it against you in future appeals.

It's very common for judges to chat with jurors after the trial, to thank them for their service and wish them well and make sure their questions get answered so they can maintain their privacy, get paid, and whatever other admin items need to be attended to, etc.

The defense can't use this for an appeal. Only what's part of the trial is subject to appeal, not the judge talking to a jury afterwards.

 

[sumzero]

It's very common for judges to chat with jurors after the trial, to thank them for their service and wish them well and make sure their questions get answered so they can maintain their privacy, get paid, and whatever other admin items need to be attended to, etc.

The defense can't use this for an appeal. Only what's part of the trial is subject to appeal, not the judge talking to a jury afterwards.

Good answer. This was not the judge’s first rodeo. I’d bet he’s just as friendly with all juries that serve in his courtroom.

 

[Hatfield]

It's very common for judges to chat with jurors after the trial, to thank them for their service and wish them well and make sure their questions get answered so they can maintain their privacy, get paid, and whatever other admin items need to be attended to, etc.

The defense can't use this for an appeal. Only what's part of the trial is subject to appeal, not the judge talking to a jury afterwards.

In general terms yes. But I dont think talking to jurors about personally knowing relatives or friends of them is wise or recommended.

IMO Any hint of a judge being potentially bias could come back to haunt the case.

 

[KALI]

That is the most guy wrenching thing I have ever seen I am 63 years old. I truly hope that all, who participated in the kidnapping, rape and murder of Holly, never have freedom again.

[video=twitter;911637318565588993]https://twitter.com/crabblers/status/911637318565588993[/video]

 

[Bently]

it was mentioned they can subpoena them for use with the next two defendants...completely and utterly stupid move....and they are of zero value to the jurors...they are the property of the court.

I would think this would be a huge story with the media but I have not been able to see any article about it yet!

But I am very very certain that folks have left messages with the judge that have watched this trial Across America ..that that decision was shocking.

I do hope that media is prompted to follow up on that is because I think that is one of the biggest things that came out today. Perhaps,out of respect, they are delaying the story for tomorrow?

 

[Bently]

Someone asked for a post trial discussion ...it has been created.. but I don't see it as opened. do we know when it's going to open?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350188

 

[Madeleine74]

IMO Any hint of a judge being potentially bias could come back to haunt the case.

Only the judge's rulings come into play in appeals. Being friendly and jovial or even knowing who certain jurors are (esp in a small county) is not judicial trial error. What's relevant is if it's trial error, and it isn't. Both sides picked the jury. This trial was streamed the whole way through. If you believe there's trial error, let us know the specific rulings that are problematic.