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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    TBH, there's a possibility that bits and pieces of the autopsy report may get leaked before they're officially released to the general public. Distraught family members can sometimes have a difficult time not telling friends and others. Family members have already released some info that hasn't...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    IMO, I don't think TA was the one swinging the hammer - because of their beliefs. That would have been "man's work" and something done by the "head of the household" and the male spiritual leader. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the three men took care of the dirty work while Tifany and Cora...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Something tells me there's much more to this story than an angry grandma and two murders.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    At the moment, that's how I'm leaning - very eager participant, but not the ringleader.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I'm going to go way off the deep end here... Several times, I've watched that interview with the rancher who has known Cole Twombly nearly all his life. His description of Cole is revealing - if true - and I don't know why he'd lie about it. So- Cole Twombly had a smile/smirk on his face walking...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    If the group of misfits would have actually gone through with their first attempt - with the anvil through the windshield plan - Veronica and Jillian would probably still be alive today. The anvil, at most, would have just hit the front of Veronica's car and she'd be alive to give a description...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I hadn't even considered that, but it sure makes me wonder after seeing that interview. It kind of makes more sense. We keep wondering how she got all these people to participate. Maybe a nice chunk of change helped nudge them into the full participation mode.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Yes, we know the outcome - murder- but VB and JK didn't immediately know that's what was coming. Is it possible VB and JK thought it was Tifany and friends staging a weird intervention or come to Jesus meeting and at first were more angry and confused about this detour and meet-up than they were...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Maybe JK did pull her gun, but when push came to shove, couldn't bring herself to shoot another human being and they quickly overtook her and grabbed the gun from her hands. I've also wondered if she even had the gun with her at all. It's possible she had a magazine in her purse but left her gun...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    One thing we definitely know that went as planned - and that was the plan to actually kill them and not just threaten them - and we know that because of the large grave dug beforehand on Beasley's land. IMO, that shows 100% premeditated murder - not just a threatening/scaring meet-up that went...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    I've been wondering about the broken window scenario, too. They would have had to completely block her in, front and back, to keep her from speeding off. I'm trying to think of how in the world they could get her into that position. Whatever they did, it had to be super fast and didn't give the...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    I don't agree with that. The abuser was a teen. In their minds, they probably thought if VB wouldn't protect her kids from a teenager, then she wouldn't protect them from anyone. In their minds, VB was the one allowing the abuse, so she had to go, and problem solved. IMO Again - not condoning...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Thank you so much. I just did a search, and it looks like bodies are usually released within 48 hours after the start of the autopsy, even if cause and manner are still pending. I had a young cousin who was murdered in 1995 whose body was found days later (still unsolved - I started a thread on...

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