4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[LinasK]

Yes. It will require quite some explanation.

I realise it's fun to speculate - my favourite passtime as well, but it's worth remembering speculation doesn't fly in Court. Someone has to give admissible evidence. So in this case, the prosecution will no doubt have a witness to the gloves, separate bagging and suspicious distribution to the neighbours bins.

Who can testify about why BK was carrying out such elaborate garbage disposal? Only BK in my view.

So while AT might be able to suggest explanations in her cross, it will actually be difficult to speculate away this evidence at trial, unless the defendant tells us why he did this.

IMO

I watched a true crime show where the guy went to the Post Office to discard his trash so that LE wouldn't get his DNA. What he didn't count on was the surveillance cameras there. They got it anyway.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Could have been worse actually. Could have bought the knife on surveillance camera at Walmart, as so many of these stupid criminals do.

Thanks the heavens for Walmart and their awesome video coverage. Many a murderer has been shown/linked by evidence obtained from good ole' Wally World.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I watched a true crime show where the guy went to the Post Office to discard his trash so that LE wouldn't get his DNA. What he didn't count on was the surveillance cameras there. They got it anyway.

I love stupid criminals, a perfect murder is almost non existent, no matter how smart a perp may be IMO. Yes, they may escape capture for a time, especially stranger on stranger crime.

I find it ironic they usually are caught by something so insignificant especially with today's technologies. And Karma.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

I watched a true crime show where the guy went to the Post Office to discard his trash so that LE wouldn't get his DNA. What he didn't count on was the surveillance cameras there. They got it anyway.

I think you brought that up once before, my favorite criminal misstep of which I’ve heard. No need for investigators, just have the postal workers mail the trash to LE for free. Huge money saver!

 

[mrjitty]

Thanks the heavens for Walmart and their awesome video coverage. Many a murderer has been shown/linked by evidence obtained from good ole' Wally World.

JMO

It's amazing how many get caught out with their dumb trash disposal plans

 

[jepop]

Interesting.

This reinforces my hunch that they won't run an alibi. Too much risk that it sets up a beauty competition between two versions where their's is the weaker.

Better to try to poke holes in the state case after it all gets presented, IMO

Yes, I have my doubts defense will pursue the so called alibi. Think they have probably just let it drop. Understandably, the state has to be sure, hence the MIL. Jmo

 

[Kemug]

Thanks the heavens for Walmart and their awesome video coverage. Many a murderer has been shown/linked by evidence obtained from good ole' Wally World.

JMO

Thank you from the People of Walmart!

 

[Charlot123]

Eventually, the FBI “admitted they had uploaded to MyHeritage” – a database off-limits to law enforcement, Larkin said, citing a document shared with the court.

But Goncalves’ family expressed relief that the judge did not suppress the genetic genealogy evidence.

“We are thankful to the Court for a timely decision and appreciate the work [the] prosecution has put in thus far,” the family posted on Facebook last week.

“In the big picture of life, justice is just moments away.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/us/bryan-kohberger-hearing-idaho-students-stabbing/index.html

Well, here is where the problem starts.
I wouldn’t care about 23@me that is anyhow going downhill and the question is when to withdraw one’s DNA from it.

But MyHeritage has lots of information and is not a US company. It owns SNPedia. It owns Promethease.

Today it will allow US Feds to tap into it database, and tomorrow it will be a third country.

And they just upped the prices.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes, I have my doubts defense will pursue the so called alibi. Think they have probably just let it drop. Understandably, the state has to be sure, hence the MIL. Jmo

Much will depend on whether they intend to call the defendant - which is a decision likely only made at half time in the trial.

If he is called, then obviously he will need to have some idea of where he supposedly was and wasn't.

I agree the MIL sets up this noose

 

[ilovewings]

John Douglas has a great saying: “Serial killers expect to get away with it, mass murderers don’t, and a spree killer hasn’t thought that far ahead.”

This guy committed a mass murder, but I’ve always viewed him the exact same way I’d view a serial killer.

I think all the same rules apply, despite him not meeting the official definition.

Power, control, a hatred of women, blah, blah, blah, but a main part of it I think, was the satisfaction he would have gotten from getting away with this. He was smarter than law enforcement, and better than them.

That means not getting caught.

This is not your typical mass murder case where the killer goes into a school or a supermarket, or a parade and starts shooting and killing people. This was a mass murder only in the sense that he murdered four people- it was a stealth murder because he snuck into the home where the people he murdered were sleeping.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Autism Spectrum Disorder is a “developmental disability caused by differences in the brain,” and can consist of behavior and communication that are different than in most people.

Among the motions filed Monday include one “not to mention the 2014 cellphone incident” that is sealed, and a motion that accuses state prosecutors of violating disclosure requirements, which they have asserted multiple times before

Kohberger defense shaping up to file to strike death penalty based on autism - East Idaho News

BOISE (The Spokesman-Review) — The defense team for a man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022 might ask a judge to take the death penalty off the table because of autism, court records show. A “Motion to Strike the Death Penalty Re: Autism Spectrum Disorder” was filed...

www.eastidahonews.com

From those, only information regarding Kohberger was substantiated, he added. “The state submits that any attempt by the defendant to offer or argue an alternative perpetrator theory without evidence specifically connecting person(s) other than the defendant to the homicides would do nothing more than mislead and confuse the jury and would also result in undue delay, waste of time, would be a needless presentation of cumulative evidence, and unfairly prejudice the state,” the filing read.

Kohberger’s trial is scheduled for summer 2025 in Boise, starting with jury selection July 30.

Prosecution seeks to limit Kohberger’s alibi, alternative evidence

His attorneys later clarified that he was often near southeastern Washington’s Wawawai County Park, about 30 miles southwest of the college campus in Moscow, to watch the stars and the moon.

bonnercountydailybee.com

 

[iamshadow21]

This is not your typical mass murder case where the killer goes into a school or a supermarket, or a parade and starts shooting and killing people. This was a mass murder only in the sense that he murdered four people- it was a stealth murder because he snuck into the home where the people he murdered were sleeping.

Yeah, Douglas is very quotable, but his quotable lines tend to be broad generalisations. The lines between serial, mass and spree killers aren't hard lines, people are too chaotic for that. There's a lot of blurring and overlap.

For example, family annihilators that go on the run like List, Fisher, and de Ligonnes not only got away with it, they did so incredibly successfully, because they all planned meticulously. They are, by definition, mass murderers.

While the perpetrator of this crime is by definition a mass murderer, in my opinion, he has more in common with the general pattern of an organised serial killer. He planned to get away with it. That says more about him than how many times he did it.

MOO

 

[ilovewings]

Yeah, Douglas is very quotable, but his quotable lines tend to be broad generalisations. The lines between serial, mass and spree killers aren't hard lines, people are too chaotic for that. There's a lot of blurring and overlap.

For example, family annihilators that go on the run like List, Fisher, and de Ligonnes not only got away with it, they did so incredibly successfully, because they all planned meticulously. They are, by definition, mass murderers.

While the perpetrator of this crime is by definition a mass murderer, in my opinion, he has more in common with the general pattern of an organised serial killer. He planned to get away with it. That says more about him than how many times he did it.

MOO

He definitely planned to get away with it- but alas, his plan failed ----I imagine people who plan murders try and think of everything- however, when in the process of actually doing the deed things occur they didn't count on- the emotions involved in murdering one person, let alone four- and having to do the deed in a hurry and get out of that house- resulted in his leaving the sheath- I will bet you he goes over that scenario in his mind and says damn, if only-- how could I have done that?

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Give them five more minutes and they're going to wheel out Dorothy Otnow Lewis, like they did for Letecia Stauch.

MOO

 RSBM
Please dont give them any ideas I don't think I could stomach any more of her

 

[iamshadow21]

 RSBM
Please dont give them any ideas I don't think I could stomach any more of her

I hope that her advanced age, her embarrassing performance in Colorado, and Idaho's lack of an insanity plea keeps her well away.

MOO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I hope that her advanced age, her embarrassing performance in Colorado, and Idaho's lack of an insanity plea keeps her well away.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

This is not your typical mass murder case where the killer goes into a school or a supermarket, or a parade and starts shooting and killing people. This was a mass murder only in the sense that he murdered four people- it was a stealth murder because he snuck into the home where the people he murdered were sleeping.

I wonder if LE has cobbled together anything akin to a manifesto. Hit list. Blurring the lines between mass and serial.

Without KG/Murphy and Door Dash, this very well cold have been a single victim. And IMO not the first or last. Over time, what would the pattern be? College campuses? Blonde codes? Every year? Every ten? Serial killers are like mass murderers, just spread out over time.

I don't think his "issue" was deeply personal with MM (who probably didn't even know he existed). He was killing a type. So IMO he was willing to kill anyone in his way and he was willing to kill again and that was all part of a master plan. He would not have been satisfied with one murder.

I think he made a career move. Decided he'd rather perpetuate crime than study it.

That sheath saved future lives.

JMO

 

[NoeticSoul]

Whereas I hope they have a great examiner doing his exam that is used to interviewing violent, manipulative offenders, who can tell the difference between autism and personality disorders.

I think this angle stinks to high heaven. I think it's all about defense strategy saving him from the threat of the death penalty, and nothing to do with genuine mitigating conditions.

Give them five more minutes and they're going to wheel out Dorothy Otnow Lewis, like they did for Letecia Stauch.

MOO

I think this "save me from death" mental health angle stinks too. He's now scared to die because he has no alibi to use.. but didn't care of those poor souls that were scared to die also, before he unalived them. Disgusting all the way around him now trying to weasel out of, literally, a death sentence --that he freely imposed on those four poor kids. moo

 

[Megnut]

I think this "save me from death" mental health angle stinks too. He's now scared to die because he has no alibi to use.. but didn't care of those poor souls that were scared to die also, before he unalived them. Disgusting all the way around him now trying to weasel out of, literally, a death sentence --that he freely imposed on those four poor kids. moo

I actually envision him to be rather impervious. I bet AT made it perfectly clear she's in charge, he's to say nothing, just small talk. He is probably annoyed and bemused to be represented by a female blonde attorney for whom he cannot show anything but disdain, however well he might hide it.

It's HER job to to defend him, to spare his death sentence. I don't think he happens to care, either way.

First meal, last meal, they all taste the same to him.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I actually envision him to be rather impervious. I bet AT made it perfectly clear she's in charge, he's to say nothing, just small talk. He is probably annoyed and bemused to be represented by a female blonde attorney for whom he cannot show anything but disdain, however well he might hide it.

It's HER job to to defend him, to spare his death sentence. I don't think he happens to care, either way.

First meal, last meal, they all taste the same to him.

JMO

I think he possibly loves the optics of being represented by her.

He's a student, he knows how this works. He's studied crime and criminals and trials, he knows the value of having a beautiful blonde woman representing him, saying that he couldn't possibly hurt anyone, when two of the people he's charged with killing are beautiful blonde women.

The PR and the image massaging began the moment she took the case. Women who work as defense attorneys for men accused of violent crimes against women know that simply by standing at their client's side, they're forming an impression in a juror's mind. It cannot be understated how powerful a tool that can be.

MOO